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  • #51
    Originally posted by War Room View Post

    I added ony what was needed. Look at this statement.

    I killed her, but I loved her.

    Does it matter tha he loved her? No, he killed her ---> the damage is done, she's dead. A woman is dead, A stands on it's own without B. B is irrelevant. But let's play your game and you're still going to lose.

    To put the final nails in your coffin and I'll just add it all because the end reduces you to rubble and ruin --->
    Man, that's a terrible analogy!

    "I killed her" is a definite admission of guilt, which isn't altered by whether love was involved or not.

    What Hearn said in those comments you quoted wasn't an admission of anything, It was just Eddie giving his opinion on Bivol's last 2 fights.

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    • #52

      Originally posted by War Room View Post

      Then Vadim Kornilov speaks to Bivol in native tongue then lmao —>







      There it is, posted 3x now but you won't touch that fire.

      Futhermore --->

      Saying but we knew how good he was works for my argument on multiple levels but you must have English as your 2nd or 3rd language perhaps?

      #1
      • but we knew how good he was ---> WAS

      is different than --->
      • but we know how good he is ---> IS

      Was = PAST TENSE. Learn the language or get out of my thread, is that not reasonable to ask?

      #2

      Bivol showed he wasn't (he said WAS) doing that good in his last 2 fights which why he was selected. If he did, he wouldn't have been selected.











      Open your hair clogged ears guy!

      ​​​​​

      And again --->






      In other words --->


      Mannix - Do you think he could win.

      Hearn - Honestly, probably not.


      Look, If you'd started a thread saying, "Hearn agrees with Bivol that Canelo underestimated him" or, "Hearn admits he didn't think Bivol would win" I wouldn't be arguing with you about that. I'm 100% certain that if Bivol had been icing guys at 175 like a prime Kovakev, Canelo wouldn't have gone anywhere near him!

      But deciding to fight an opponent you think you can beat is not the same as cherry picking. Canelo wouldn't have fought Lara if he hadn't believed he would beat him, but nobody called Lara a cherry pick!

      Canelo thought he could beat Callum Smith, BJS and Plant, otherwise he wouldn't have fought them, and I'm sure Eddie Hearn thought he would beat them too, but nobody called those guys cherry picks either. Prime, undefeated world champions are not cherry picks, especially if they are champions in a higher division than you.
      Last edited by kafkod; 06-12-2022, 05:50 PM.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by kafkod View Post

        Man, that's a terrible analogy!

        "I killed her" is a definite admission of guilt, which isn't altered by whether love was involved or not.

        What Hearn said in those comments you quoted wasn't an admission of anything, It was just Eddie giving his opinion on Bivol's last 2 fights.
        It's a great reference and the fact you only chose ~15% of that post to quote, shows your defeat. Bend the knee!

        Originally posted by Chris Mannix
        Did you think Dmirty Bivol had this type of performance in him?
        Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
        Honestly, probably not.
        Hearn did not think Bivol could beat him, that's why they chose him.

        Originally posted by kafkod View Post
        Look, If you'd started a thread saying, "Hearn agrees with Bivol that Canelo underestimated him" or, "Hearn admits he didn't think Bivol would win" I wouldn't be arguing with you about that. I'm 100% certain that if Bivol had been icing guys at 175 like a prime Kovakev, Canelo wouldn't have gone anywhere near him!
        Roy Jones Jr, the goat =---> said it was a cherry pick gone wrong. Watch it, it's not long before he says it.



        You're telling me you know more than Roy Jones Jr, the most gifted boxer in Earth's history? You expect anyone to believe you??

        Originally posted by kafkod View Post
        But deciding to fight an opponent you think you can beat is not the same as cherry picking. Canelo wouldn't have fought Lara if he hadn't believed he would beat him, but nobody called Lara a cherry pick!
        You don't think that Lara getting dropped twice against Angulo didn't make him look tasy beatable to Reynoso and Clenny McButerol? Lara was losing big on Denkins scorecard at the time he stopped Angulo. The same Angulo that was stopped the fight before Lara, you don't think this was being considered? Angulo was rexciting, but Angulo was a bum. Use your head!

        You don't think picking a guy like Kovalev who got knocked out in 2017, 2018, and almost again in 2019 by a guy that doesn't spar =---> you offer him millions but the fight has to happen in 70 days is not a cherry-pick? When there was a bigger offer (5M more) to fight undefeated Andrade for 40M instead for a real challenge? Hmm, do I take the guy that got starched almost 3x in ~2 years or go with the guy who's undefeated?



        Originally posted by kafkod View Post
        Canelo thought he could beat Callum Smith, BJS and Plant, otherwise he wouldn't have fought them, and I'm sure Eddie Hearn thought he would beat them too, but nobody called those guys cherry picks either. Prime, undefeated world champions are not cherry picks, especially if they are champions in a higher division than you.
        Everybody is calling Rocky Fielding a cherry, who hasn't called a 20-0 inexperienced Plant an easy meal? Same for those eurobums Smith and Saunders. Notice how you left Rocky out, you think you're slick, you'll always be second best compared to me.

        Nobody is calling Clenny McButerol a cherry picker. Time for a rude awakening

        Click them, they are hyperlinked sources.

        R I N G TV - IS CANELO ALVAREZ A CHERRY PICKER?

        Originally posted by Bleacher Report
        With all due respect, Canelo's fight is an embarrassment to the middleweight division. A 140 [pounder] fighting at that weight [of 155]. It dishonors boxing. We all know who wins
        BLEACHER REPORT - Dispelling the Myth That Canelo Alvarez Cherry Picks Opponents

        Originally posted by Matt Lieberman
        In other words, Plant is viewed as another one of the poor 168-lb paper champions that Canelo has been cherry-picking to pad his resume by beating a weak paper champion.
        Caleb Plant On Canelo: ‘Don’t Be Surprised If It’s Easier Than You Think’

        Originally posted by Keith Thurman
        He’s Canelo. The people love him. He has a huge following. He’s brought tons of excitement. You can say he’s cherry-picked a little bit but he kinda learned from the best.
        Keith Thurman Compares Canelo Alvarez To Floyd Mayweather: “You Can Say He’s Cherry Picked But He Learned From The Best”

        Originally posted by LA Times
        But when you look at this Canelo situation,” who surrendered his middleweight belt to fight anonymous English 154-pound champion Liam Smith instead of unbeaten middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin, and Golovkin turning around to fight 147-pound champion Kell Brook for his next opponent, “it’s an era of cherry picking,” McGregor said.
        SOURCE - LA TIMES

        Originally posted by ESPN
        He took the opportunity to cherry-pick a titleholder at 168 pounds in Fielding and won a belt in his third weight division, despite the title being a second-tier version.
        ESPN - Canelo Alvarez crushes Rocky Fielding, now 3-division titlist



        Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
        But there was nothing in your last 2 fights, in his last 2 fights, there's nothing that shows he could do that. But we knew how good he was, you always believed in him, but to perform like that, on that stage, was very special. Most fighters can’t produce that when it matters.
        Originally posted by Vadim Kornilov
        Sometimes they’re worse.
        Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
        Yea of course.
        Originally posted by Vadim Kornilov
        Sometimes they’re worse
        Then Vadim Kornilov speaks to Bivol in native tongue then lmao —>

        Originally posted by Dmitry Bivol
        If not my last 2 fights, I didn't get this fight?
        Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
        True, true.
        If you didn't suck in your last two fights, you wouldn't have gotten this fight, this is true.
        -Eddie Hearn
        Last edited by War Room; 06-13-2022, 11:00 AM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by MONGOOSE66 View Post

          Drama queen. You remind me of Nash.
          The truth can be dramatic for some people. I'm not sorry you can't handle the truth!

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          • #55
            Originally posted by War Room View Post

            The truth can be dramatic for some people. I'm not sorry you can't handle the truth!
            Shouldn’t allow teenage girls on here.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by War Room View Post

              It's a great reference and the fact you only chose ~15% of that post to quote, shows your defeat. Bend the knee!
              No, it was a dumb, illogical way to try and make a point you couldn't make by keeping it real.

              How about this ... I killed her, hens that don't lay eggs are no use to me.

              Yaaay ... I won, bend the knee!

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              • #57
                Originally posted by kafkod View Post

                No, it was a dumb, illogical way to try and make a point you couldn't make by keeping it real.

                How about this ... I killed her, hens that don't lay eggs are no use to me.

                Yaaay ... I won, bend the knee!
                But those are two statements that have nothing to do with each other. Mine are actually song lyrics from Guns N Roses. Crimes of passion are a thing, killing a woman you love and eggs from a chicken are not. They're WORLDS APART.

                After all that work reducing you to rubble that's the best you got now, just some drivel?

                You made a big deal about what came next in the comments I chose and when I gave you all of it and literally gave you the meat on the bone of where Eddie said Bivol wouldn't have gotten the fight if he didn't look bad and you post some tripe about hens that don't lay eggs blarg.

                Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
                But there was nothing in your last 2 fights, in his last 2 fights, there's nothing that shows he could do that. But we knew how good he was, you always believed in him, but to perform like that, on that stage, was very special. Most fighters can’t produce that when it matters.
                Originally posted by Vadim Kornilov
                Sometimes they’re worse.
                Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
                Yea of course.
                Originally posted by Vadim Kornilov
                Sometimes they’re worse
                Then Vadim Kornilov speaks to Bivol in native tongue then lmao —>

                Originally posted by Dmitry Bivol
                If not my last 2 fights, I didn't get this fight?
                Originally posted by Eddie Hearn
                True, true.
                You said nobody said cherry-picking, I provided links saying otherwise. The entire industry is saying it and you simply won't accept it. You are a true specimen!

                The phenomenon about this place and people in the modern era I've learned is this =---> people have an inability to admit when they're wrong. It seems to be a skill they're neither born with or simply incapable of learning. You're literally unteachable and unreachable. When presented with all the evidence; an orgy of evidence, you're still a naysayer.

                Either you're =---> in love with Clenny, in love with Eddie, your brain is too small for this function, or you're the argumentative type person that will always say the opposite of someone else.

                Roy Jones Jr =---> second in skill, abililty, and legend to the great Sugar Ray Robinson himself said this is a cherry-pick and you're still unconvinced. You're cracked or drunk.

                It's like listening to Mozart giving a masterclass on modal changes and instrumentation and you raise your hand and say nope, that's not true. Thats wrong. You don't raise the 7th in a harmonic minor, all you really need to do is get your hen to lay and egg in the cool morning hours.
                Last edited by War Room; 06-13-2022, 10:43 AM.

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                • #58
                  I don't know if you can call it a "cherry pick". It's not like Bivol is a bum.

                  But certainly, it was a calculated move by Canelo and his team.

                  I mean, f/uck just look at who are champions at Light Heavy.

                  Beterbieve (knockout power), Joe Smith (knockout power), Bivol.

                  So who makes the most sense for Canelo to choose? Bivol obviously. Because if you take that performance Canelo had and put that in the ring with Beterbiev? Canelo probably gets stopped. Same with Joe Smith (though Bivol beat him before).

                  I'm not even that interested in LHW. So, I won't act like a know it all with these guys. I don't watch this division, I just know Beterbiev is known for power and same as Joe. Bivol, not so much. So of course Canelo would target him and not that most dangerous of the division.

                  Anyone remember Canelo's target for Cruiser? A random generated African boxer? Now THAT'S a cherry pick.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by War Room View Post

                    Roy Jones Jr =---> second in skill, abililty, and legend to the great Sugar Ray Robinson himself said this is a cherry-pick and you're still unconvinced. You're cracked or drunk.
                    that's pretty irrelevant since most retired boxers tend to hold bias.

                    So I take his words post-fight with a grain of salt. If he believe it, he should've said it before during the lead up to the fight but he only said it after.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by F l i c k e r View Post

                      that's pretty irrelevant since most retired boxers tend to hold bias.

                      So I take his words post-fight with a grain of salt. If he believe it, he should've said it before during the lead up to the fight but he only said it after.
                      He loves Clenny, YDKSAB apparently!

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