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  • ShoulderRoll
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    #51
    Originally posted by deathofaclown
    i this Crawford is brilliant, one of my favourites to watch but the reality is that he’s collected a lot of belts without really beating top fighters.
    The exact same thing could be said about Inoue.

    More so, in fact. Because his best wins are 40-year-old Narvaez and almost 40-year-old Nonito.

    At least Crawford fought Shawn Porter and Viktor Postol.

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      #52
      Originally posted by hugh grant
      If inoue was usyk size he might beat him I guess. So why not? Well done.
      If I were wealthier than Elon Musk I'd have more money than him.

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        #53
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

        The exact same thing could be said about Inoue.

        More so, in fact. Because his best wins are 40-year-old Narvaez and almost 40-year-old Nonito.

        At least Crawford fought Shawn Porter and Viktor Postol.
        39 + 39, not 40.

        donaire was ring#2, and clearly the 2nd best bantam when they fought
        porter was not, as he had already lost to spence, thurman, brook...
        they way inoue dismantled donaire is more impressive than porter.

        however, i do agree crawford and inoue's competition has been somewhat similar,
        which is why the they're both in the top 3, with the edge to inoue as of late.

        it's always difficult these days to get the 1-2 guys in the same ring.
        inoue was calling out chocolatito for a year, and gonzales opted to fight cuadras and ssr.
        i remember the frustration on inoue and wish that fight went happened.

        anyways, this P4P thing may shift a couple times this year, depending on how usyk and bud/spence perform.
        i see inoue as #1 now, because he not only wins, he demolishes.

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          #54
          Originally posted by JOITATS

          39 + 39, not 40.

          donaire was ring#2, and clearly the 2nd best bantam when they fought
          porter was not, as he had already lost to spence, thurman, brook...
          they way inoue dismantled donaire is more impressive than porter.

          however, i do agree crawford and inoue's competition has been somewhat similar,
          which is why the they're both in the top 3, with the edge to inoue as of late.

          it's always difficult these days to get the 1-2 guys in the same ring.
          inoue was calling out chocolatito for a year, and gonzales opted to fight cuadras and ssr.
          i remember the frustration on inoue and wish that fight went happened.

          anyways, this P4P thing may shift a couple times this year, depending on how usyk and bud/spence perform.
          i see inoue as #1 now, because he not only wins, he demolishes.
          Oh, my bad.

          39. Not 40.

          I was way off.

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            #55
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

            The exact same thing could be said about Inoue.

            More so, in fact. Because his best wins are 40-year-old Narvaez and almost 40-year-old Nonito.

            At least Crawford fought Shawn Porter and Viktor Postol.
            well yeah, that’s why I’m saying you can pretty much take your pick, I don’t think any has a huge claim over the other.

            Inoue v Rodriguez was seen as a tough fight in many peoples eyes at the time.

            lol Porter? He had one foot in retirement and had lost v Brook and Spence already, arguably lost to Ugas.

            And Postol? That’s probably Crawford’s best win, but hr was no great fighter. Josh Taylor beat him after about 12 fights.

            Like I said, I’m a fan of Crawford’s ability and love watching him fight but for a 35 year old in the conversation for p4p no.1, his resume is pretty weak

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              #56
              Originally posted by 'b'

              If I were wealthier than Elon Musk I'd have more money than him.
              Well you could say whoever has best resume but it's not resume to some. I remember people thought PAC had better resume than Floyd and was higher ATG but Floyd was No1 PFP.?
              For what reason that was would be anyone's guess. Maybe PAC was easier to hit? Maybe they thought if they were same size Floyd wins? But that would be a little silly as PAC was considerabky disadvantaged size wise, yet it was still seen as a fight people wanted to see. So even though PAC was seen for a long as having better resume he was no2?
              Last edited by hugh grant; 06-12-2022, 07:52 AM.

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                #57
                Originally posted by deathofaclown

                well yeah, that’s why I’m saying you can pretty much take your pick, I don’t think any has a huge claim over the other.

                Inoue v Rodriguez was seen as a tough fight in many peoples eyes at the time.

                lol Porter? He had one foot in retirement and had lost v Brook and Spence already, arguably lost to Ugas.

                And Postol? That’s probably Crawford’s best win, but hr was no great fighter. Josh Taylor beat him after about 12 fights.

                Like I said, I’m a fan of Crawford’s ability and love watching him fight but for a 35 year old in the conversation for p4p no.1, his resume is pretty weak
                I'm no fan of Crawford's resume. But I do think it's better than Inoue's.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

                  I'm no fan of Crawford's resume. But I do think it's better than Inoue's.
                  Maybe in quantity.

                  I’d put his wins over Donaire and Rodriguez at a similar level to wins over Porter and Postol, more or less. Donaire showed he still had plenty left at bantamweight. If you wanna say Donaire lost most times he really stepped up, then you have to say similar about Porter, plus he had one foot out of the sport.

                  Crawford definitely has more “decent” wins, but he’s also had about double the amount of fights too.

                  Anyway I’m not knocking Crawford, in my opinion he beats Spence if the fight happens in the next 12 months and not when Crawford is reaching late 30’s. Then I’ll have no qualms about putting him at p4p no1.

                  my real point was not saying Inoue should be there, I don’t think either of them really have the resume to be no.1, but if people are happy to put Crawford up there while ignoring his resume, then you can make a case for Inoue in comparison.

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                    #59
                    ive been following under 122 for a long time.
                    living in japan, we know the scene a lot better than westerners…
                    i honestly think most of you know very little about lower weights, nor have even seen or heard of most of them.
                    but u make judgements on resumes based on how many stars boxingrec rates these guys…
                    for those who know, boxingrec is a joke, it’s bias against lowerwgts.
                    case in pt, i remember tanaka kosei was a 2wgt champ, ring champ, and borderline p4p top 10, yet boxing rec still rated him a 4 star fighter last yr.

                    if u dont know **** about under 122, you need to let the more educated speak.
                    Last edited by JOITATS; 06-12-2022, 11:40 AM.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by JOITATS
                      ive been following under 122 for a long time.
                      living in japan, we know the scene a lot better than westerners…
                      i honestly think most of you know very little about lower weights, nor have even seen or heard of most of them.
                      but u make judgements on resumes based on how many stars boxingrec rates these guys…
                      for those who know, boxingrec is a joke, it’s bias against lowerwgts.
                      case in pt, i remember tanaka kosei was a 2wgt champ, ring champ, and borderline p4p top 10, yet boxing rec still rated him a 4 star fighter last yr.

                      if u dont know **** about under 122, you need to let the more educated speak.
                      a lot of nations dont generally have citizens who are small enough to fight in them classes thats why they have to do more to prove themselves, also why noone watches them weights. not trying to be funny or offensive but over here a grown man shouldnt be weighing 122lbs

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