For All the MMA Bashers

[Steak]

I have no problem with mma at all. In fact, I used to be a diehard fan of it...before I found boxing.

but Lesnar is simply embarrassing. and theres no way around it. he has real NCAA wrestling credentials, sure, but he hadnt done real wrestling in years and years. the fact that he just strolled in from WWE or whatever and became a champion after like 2 years and 3 or 4 fights is just sad.

and geez, watching his fights is cringe worthy. he just plows into people, and then does those knobbly little hammer fists that look like a chick fight on the ground.
his fighting 'style' just screams that skill doesnt matter in a fight, as long as youre huge and strong.

which Im sure real mma fans dont like either

[shadeyfizzle]

I have no problem with mma at all. In fact, I used to be a diehard fan of it...before I found boxing.

but Lesnar is simply embarrassing. and theres no way around it. he has real NCAA wrestling credentials, sure, but he hadnt done real wrestling in years and years. the fact that he just strolled in from WWE or whatever and became a champion after like 2 years and 3 or 4 fights is just sad.

and geez, watching his fights is cringe worthy. he just plows into people, and then does those knobbly little hammer fists that look like a chick fight on the ground.
his fighting 'style' just screams that skill doesnt matter in a fight, as long as youre huge and strong.

which Im sure real mma fans dont like either

Well the same could be said of boxing's heavyweight division. How else could you explain Nikolai Valuev being world champion???

But anyways. To get back to the topic. Here comes Guillermo Rigondeaux who's far from polished as a professional but with undeniable talent that blows a solid 85-95% of his division out of the water as is and i'm simply wondering how folks would feel about him getting a world title shot in boxing as 1 Brock Lesnar did in MMA

[We want Floyd]

Well the point i was trying to make is that Lesnar was a former NCAA champion wrestler and just barely missed making the olympic team. Im not too impressed with Lesnar myself as I think he relies on brute strength as opposed to technique but the equation of amateur backgrounds is roughly the same with Rigondeaux. I think Rigondeaux IS ready for a major contender in the 122lb division in his 4th fight and depending on his performance would be ready for a title shot by his 5th or 6th professional fight.

But still, Lesnar had a huge gap of "inactivity" between his college wrestling days and being in MMA.

He had already spent years being on WWE. So, basically, Lesnar literally came off the pro-wrestling circuit and right into MMA and fought for a championship in like his 3-4th fight.

It's not like he went from being this great college wrestler and right into the MMA arena. There's a huge gap there, bro.

I doubt someone like De La Hoya(who was a gold medalist) could've gone from being an olympian and become world-champion in his 3rd-4th pro-fight with years of inactivity in-betwee

Oh, and another thing, please don't compare an Olympic trial failure to a f**kin' gold medalist in the olympics and has won numerous international amateur championships, completely different levels, bro

[Heru]

Particularly the ones who bash the UFC for having a heavyweight champion with only 5 professional fights.


How would you feel about Guillermo Rigondeaux getting a title shot after only 5 professional fights??? He's a rare specimen that I believe is already ready for a title eliminator after tonight. And will definitely get a title shot after only roughly 10 professional fights. Give or take a couple.

Rigondeaux has 400+ amateur boxing fights, where he traveled fighting the best amateur fighters in the world, and transitioned from amateurs to pros in less than a year; He didn't take years off to be an actor in boxing plays.

MMA is supposedly this versatile sport, but Lesnar only competed at a high level in 1 sport, 10 years back. He wasn't fighting in the amateur mma circuit, he's not even competent at the other 'major components' of mma.

Why'd you neglect my post?

[Steak]

Well the same could be said of boxing's heavyweight division. How else could you explain Nikolai Valuev being world champion???

But anyways. To get back to the topic. Here comes Guillermo Rigondeaux who's far from polished as a professional but with undeniable talent that blows a solid 85-95% of his division out of the water as is and i'm simply wondering how folks would feel about him getting a world title shot in boxing as 1 Brock Lesnar did in MMA

well, first off Valuev shouldnt be a champion in the first place. 1. Because he lost the title to Chagaev and the WBA just like to give away belts for fun and 2. Because he got beat by a 7 million year old Holyfield. not to mention Valuev is no where close being a true world champion, its obvious that the Klitschko bros are at the top.

and the thing thats different is that Rigondeux, though he hasnt been a pro long, as been building his way up to an early title shot for a long, long time. hes been fighting in the amateurs for consecutive years until he defected.

on the other hand, Lesnar stopped the NCAA wrestling and picked up on pro wrestling, and did that for a number of years. then out of the blue, he decides to go into mma with minimal mma training, and having not really competitively wrestled in a long time.

and even then, Rigondeux is takign more fights to get a title shot than Lesnar did. and even THEN, itll probably be against an alphabet belt champ thats easy to pick on, not a true top fighter like JuanMa Lopez or Celestino Cabllero.
In other words, hes not going to be #1 in the division for quite a while, unlike Lesnar(Fedor excluded)

see the difference? see what Im getting at?

[shadeyfizzle]

But still, Lesnar had a huge gap of "inactivity" between his college wrestling days and being in MMA.

He had already spent years being on WWE. So, basically, Lesnar literally came off the pro-wrestling circuit and right into MMA and fought for a championship in like his 3-4th fight.

It's not like he went from being this great college wrestler and right into the MMA arena. There's a huge gap there, bro.

I doubt someone like De La Hoya(who was a gold medalist) could've gone from being an olympian and become world-champion in his 3rd-4th pro-fight with years of inactivity in-betwee

Oh, and another thing, please don't compare an Olympic trial failure to a f**kin' gold medalist in the olympics and has won numerous international amateur championships, completely different levels, bro

Its a fair comparison. Have there not been olympic gold medalists that ended up not amounting to **** on a professional level and fighters that have missed making the olympic team in their respective countries to become world champions??

[shadeyfizzle]

Why'd you neglect my post?

I didnt neglect your post. In fact I agree with what you said. So how would you feel about Rigondeaux gettin a title shot that soon??

[shadeyfizzle]

well, first off Valuev shouldnt be a champion in the first place. 1. Because he lost the title to Chagaev and the WBA just like to give away belts for fun and 2. Because he got beat by a 7 million year old Holyfield. not to mention Valuev is no where close being a true world champion, its obvious that the Klitschko bros are at the top.

and the thing thats different is that Rigondeux, though he hasnt been a pro long, as been building his way up to an early title shot for a long, long time. hes been fighting in the amateurs for consecutive years until he defected.

on the other hand, Lesnar stopped the NCAA wrestling and picked up on pro wrestling, and did that for a number of years. then out of the blue, he decides to go into mma with minimal mma training, and having not really competitively wrestled in a long time.

and even then, Rigondeux is takign more fights to get a title shot than Lesnar did. and even THEN, itll probably be against an alphabet belt champ thats easy to pick on, not a true top fighter like JuanMa Lopez or Celestino Cabllero.
In other words, hes not going to be #1 in the division for quite a while, unlike Lesnar(Fedor excluded)

see the difference? see what Im getting at?

That's the kinda response I was looking for. Simply how would you feel if Rigondeaux got a shot that quickly. Im no Lesnar fan. Im just not going to **** on MMA as some people have because Lesnar is to MMA as Valuev is to boxing. people like to trash mma just because Lesnar has the most relevant belt in MMA with very little experience when in actuality, similar to Valuev....he's not really the #1 in the division. Fedor Emelianenko who does have over 30 professional fights is the true heavyweight champion in MMA.

[Heru]

I didnt neglect your post. In fact I agree with what you said. So how would you feel about Rigondeaux gettin a title shot that soon??

Good to know that you're not just a mma nuthugger that will rebuttal any and everything, just so he nor his look bad.

I wouldn't be mad if Rigondeaux gets an early title shot. He'd have to at least beat a decent level contender before he gets it and if the titlist is worth his salt, he'll keep his ****.

Beibut Shumenov, a boxer with an extensive amateur career, got a real early title shot by beating Montell Griffin and Byron Mitchell. Which aren't world beaters any more, but still semi competent. Shumenov thought he was gonna just cherry pick a title off of Campillo and got beat in his hometown for his troubles.

**** the title anyway though, they're corrupt. The Ring title which is more of the undisputed type is another story though.

[Steak]

That's the kinda response I was looking for. Simply how would you feel if Rigondeaux got a shot that quickly. Im no Lesnar fan. Im just not going to **** on MMA as some people have because Lesnar is to MMA as Valuev is to boxing. people like to trash mma just because Lesnar has the most relevant belt in MMA with very little experience when in actuality, similar to Valuev....he's not really the #1 in the division. Fedor Emelianenko who does have over 30 professional fights is the true heavyweight champion in MMA.

maybe.

lets be honest here, Fedor hasnt fought anyone very relevant in years now.

I dont think you could call Lesnar anything less than #2, could you? Valuev would be lucky to be top ten on my heavyweight list, personally...the man lost to Holyfield for cryin out loud.

I still think its going to take Rigondeux quite a while to reach a #1 or 2 position at his weight.