For All the MMA Bashers

[Heru]

A 3 time NCAA Wrestling champ isnt amature experience???

MMA is supposedly this versatile sport, but Lesnar only competed at a high level in 1 sport, 10 years back. He wasn't fighting in the amateur mma circuit, he's not even competent at the other 'major components' of mma, yet he's the undisputed champ of the biggest organization in the sport.

[-GR -]

A 3 time NCAA Wrestling champ isnt amature experience???

That isn't MMA. Amateur MMA is pretty much non-existent which shows the lack of depth in the talent pool.

[Heru]

So where would have "competitively wrestled"? Because there is no money in wrestling. If he were to "competitively wrestle" everything would have to come out of his pockets. Sure, there's sponsorships, but they can only go so far.

And let's face it, if you ain't making the Olympics, it's a waste of time and money. Even if you are good and even if you win gold, all you're getting is a measly 250k for your efforts.

That's why a lot of accomplished wrestlers went to sports entertainment. That why a lot more are going for MMA. They can finally make a living off their attributes and work to perfect them.

And Lesnar trained 5 years with Minn. Martial Arts and Erik Paulson.

Your entire first paragraph is just an excuse because the point is, he wasn't. The economics and politics don't matter in this argument.

Guillermo Rigondeaux go act in boxing plays and tryout for NFL teams for the last 10 years.

[HeartAttack]

Unless Rigondeuax is stepping in the ring with Israel Vazquez anytime soon, he isn't fighting for the 122lb title. Sure there are some paper titles, but they don't do anything more than tell us who some of Vazquez' challengers are. Listen, Guillermo is a talented guy no doubt, but he hasn't faced a tough opponent yet and 122 is full of some really good guys. But like I said, Rgondeaux won't fight for a worl title until he steps in the ring with Vazquez or Israel's conquerer if there is one. Same can be said of Lesnar, he won't be the true world heavyweight champion until he beats Fedor. For now, Lesnar is the UFC titlist, and Guillermo, is a 3-0 up and comer.

[shadeyfizzle]

MMA is supposedly this versatile sport, but Lesnar only competed at a high level in 1 sport, 10 years back. He wasn't fighting in the amateur mma circuit, he's not even competent at the other 'major components' of mma, yet he's the undisputed champ of the biggest organization in the sport.

but he still isnt THE champion of the division. Fedor Emelianenko who has over 30 professional fights is THE rightful heavyweight champion in MMA. Just as even if Rigondeaux won a world championship. Juanma would still be the rightful champion at 122lbs.

[Steak]

So where would have "competitively wrestled"? Because there is no money in wrestling. If he were to "competitively wrestle" everything would have to come out of his pockets. Sure, there's sponsorships, but they can only go so far.

And let's face it, if you ain't making the Olympics, it's a waste of time and money. Even if you are good and even if you win gold, all you're getting is a measly 250k for your efforts.

That's why a lot of accomplished wrestlers went to sports entertainment. That why a lot more are going for MMA. They can finally make a living off their attributes and work to perfect them.

And Lesnar trained 5 years with Minn. Martial Arts and Erik Paulson.

what he 'could have done' is irrelevant. the fact of the matter is that the guy put his wrestling on the shelf and went into pro wrestling for years, and then decided one day to do mma. and within a few fights, hes the UFC champion.

and thats the difference with him and Rigondeux, who has been boxing for years straight now.

which was the whole point of the topic.

[Steak]

but he still isnt THE champion of the division. Fedor Emelianenko who has over 30 professional fights is THE rightful heavyweight champion in MMA. Just as even if Rigondeaux won a world championship. Juanma would still be the rightful champion at 122lbs.

yea, but you would at least put Lesnar as #2, wouldnt you?

Rigondeux aint gonna be the #1 OR #2 guy anytime soon, imo.

whatever, I think the conversation is getting loopy though...we all get what each other are saying to a degree, although we dont totally agree.
which is fine with me, so..I think Ill be walking away now.

[HeartAttack]

but he still isnt THE champion of the division. Fedor Emelianenko who has over 30 professional fights is THE rightful heavyweight champion in MMA. Just as even if Rigondeaux won a world championship. Juanma would still be the rightful champion at 122lbs.

Juanma isn't THE CHAMPION at 122, Israel Vazquez is

[pistol whip]

MMA is supposedly this versatile sport, but Lesnar only competed at a high level in 1 sport, 10 years back. He wasn't fighting in the amateur mma circuit, he's not even competent at the other 'major components' of mma, yet he's the undisputed champ of the biggest organization in the sport.

Actually Lesner is nothing more than a titlist!!! The real HW champion is the guy in my Avatar and Sig!!!

[Heru]

but he still isnt THE champion of the division. Fedor Emelianenko who has over 30 professional fights is THE rightful heavyweight champion in MMA. Just as even if Rigondeaux won a world championship. Juanma would still be the rightful champion at 122lbs.

I have difficulty seeing Rigondeaux being the clear cut #2 at 122 or any other division for that matter. Couture must have been the clear cut #2 and Mir the #2 or 3. If Guillermo tried some **** like that with Lopez and Poonsawat, he'd get his ass handed to him by at least one if not both.