Loma outboxes these two…

[Boxing-1013]

Fair point. But as long as Haney deploys the jab the same way, it will keep Loma back. Teo’s jab isn’t Larry Holmes’ jab so I’m not sure if it was the power.

Loma was hesitant to close the gap because if he got too close, he could have gotten sparked out.

I don't think he will be nearly as hesitant against Haney, from round 1.

That fight is all about whether or not Loma can get past the jab, early and often. Would be a good test of how good Haney's jab really is.

[The Big Dunn]

Loma was hesitant to close the gap because if he got too close, he could have gotten sparked out.

I don't think he will be nearly as hesitant against Haney, from round 1.

That fight is all about whether or not Loma can get past the jab, early and often. Would be a good test of how good Haney's jab really is.

Ok I think this is a reasonable point.

Haney’s jab will have to be great.

[The Big Dunn]

I think you're spinning quite a tale there.

I can't possibly see a scenario where someone felt Haney was a more dangerous fight, at that time, than Lopez. Just because of the possible embarrassment of getting highlight reel KOed, Lopez is still probably a more dangerous fight.

You aren't scared of anything if you're facing Haney.

I've never been a believer in Haney, but maybe he fights to the level of his opposition, like some other guys have done. I've been wrong on guys before, but I still am not really a believer in the guy.

A decent pressure/volume fighter should give him all he can handle. A really good one should beat him 4/5 times.

Kambosos fought a bad gameplan and I couldn't believe what he tried to do. Everything about him screams 'limited pressure brawler' to me and he tried to pot shot with Haney from the outside lol.

That is because you’re only thinking power. The fear is getting completely outboxed by Haney that the payday goes away.

This was why these dudes waited so long to fight Floyd. They were bigger and weren’t worried about getting ko’d. It was being completely outboxed and dominated.

I disagree. Haney has length and movement that can work away from pressure. I keep going back to this- none of these other guys had any intentions of fighting him.

Loma and Ryan were the worst imo. Teo lost but he was clearly trying to avoid. I know you like Tank, but his post fight interview made it clear he wasn’t going using his earning power to fight the Haney/Kambosos winner.

Youre a knowledgeable enough fan to know that wasn’t the game plan. Haney forced that on him the same way Teo forced it on Loma.

He just did it in a different way.

one more point- Haney is 23. He is far from a finished prospect.

[Boxing-1013]

That is because you’re only thinking power. The fear is getting completely outboxed by Haney that the payday goes away.

This was why these dudes waited so long to fight Floyd. They were bigger and weren’t worried about getting ko’d. It was being completely outboxed and dominated.

I disagree. Haney has length and movement that can work away from pressure. I keep going back to this- none of these other guys had any intentions of fighting him.

Loma and Ryan were the worst imo. Teo lost but he was clearly trying to avoid. I know you like Tank, but his post fight interview made it clear he wasn’t going using his earning power to fight the Haney/Kambosos winner.

Youre a knowledgeable enough fan to know that wasn’t the game plan. Haney forced that on him the same way Teo forced it on Loma.

He just did it in a different way.

one more point- Haney is 23. He is far from a finished prospect.

I don't agree with quite a bit of that, but to each his own.

Hopefully those guys mix it up and we see what happens.

Haney to me doesn't have the athleticism and fluidity of movement that Floyd, Shakur, Crawford have, and he doesn't have the power and pressure style that Spence has.

I just don't see it with him, but I've been wrong on guys before and it will probably happen again. He looks too vulnerable in some of his fights - maybe it is something that he improves on with age, but I view him as having issues because of a lack of athleticism and I don't think that is going to improve.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't agree with quite a bit of that, but to each his own.

Hopefully those guys mix it up and we see what happens.

Haney to me doesn't have the athleticism and fluidity of movement that Floyd, Shakur, Crawford have, and he doesn't have the power and pressure style that Spence has.

I just don't see it with him, but I've been wrong on guys before and it will probably happen again. He looks too vulnerable in some of his fights - maybe it is something that he improves on with age, but I view him as having issues because of a lack of athleticism and I don't think that is going to improve.

He looked vulnerable at 22. It surely isn’t ack of athleticism. He may not be Floyd or Crawford, but he’s still well ahead of other LW’s.

Look closer if you u don’t see it- he just dominated 2 very good LW’s. Not perfect, but how many other 23 yr olds are at this level?

As men, we know actions speak louder than words. I am judging the actions of all these men relative to Haney. My reasoning may be wrong, but those actions can’t be wished away or overlooked.

[Boxing-1013]

He looked vulnerable at 22. It surely isn’t ack of athleticism. He may not be Floyd or Crawford, but he’s still well ahead of other LW’s.

Look closer if you u don’t see it- he just dominated 2 very good LW’s. Not perfect, but how many other 23 yr olds are at this level?

As men, we know actions speak louder than words. I am judging the actions of all these men relative to Haney. My reasoning may be wrong, but those actions can’t be wished away or overlooked.

Just because he's black doesn't mean he's a great athlete man lol. That's ridiculous to try and defend him on that.

He is NOWHERE near as slick as guys like Lara, Shakur, Crawford, Floyd in there. NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Get out of here with that sh.it

[The Big Dunn]

Just because he's black doesn't mean he's a great athlete man lol. That's ridiculous to try and defend him on that.

He is NOWHERE near as slick as guys like Lara, Shakur, Crawford, Floyd in there. NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Get out of here with that sh.it

Huh? This post is confusing.

I didn’t post or imply it was because he’s black that he is a great athlete. I didn’t mention slickness.

You literally made up things I never posted. Why did you do that?

I posted he’s more athletic than the other top LW’s. Why are you bringing up Shakur and Lara that aren’t LW’s when you didn’t mention them before?

I agreed with you he wasn’t as athletic as Crawford or Floyd. Why did you repeat that point again as if I disagreed with you?

You completely avoided the points I made about his the wins over 2 very good LW’s and the actions of the other top LW’s to avoid him.

[Boxing-1013]

Huh? This post is confusing.

I didn’t post or imply it was because he’s black that he is a great athlete. I didn’t mention slickness.

You literally made up things I never posted. Why did you do that?

I posted he’s more athletic than the other top LW’s. Why are you bringing up Shakur and Lara that aren’t LW’s when you didn’t mention them before?

I agreed with you he wasn’t as athletic as Crawford or Floyd. Why did you repeat that point again as if I disagreed with you?

You completely avoided the points I made about his the wins over 2 very good LW’s and the actions of the other top LW’s to avoid him.

On the bold, I don't see it that way, at all. So I didn't address it.

Idk who the other really good LW is, either. Kambosos in Australia was a great win but otherwise i can't recall who else he has.

I've said my piece on Haney. I don't have anything else to add really. Nothing against the kid, and maybe he can improve, and maybe I'm wrong anyway. I just don't see top level talent with him. He doesn't inspire the confidence in me that some other fighters around his weight have done in recent years.

[Cypocryphy]

Loma was hesitant to close the gap because if he got too close, he could have gotten sparked out.

I don't think he will be nearly as hesitant against Haney, from round 1.

That fight is all about whether or not Loma can get past the jab, early and often. Would be a good test of how good Haney's jab really is.

Loma was hesitant because he was trying to get Lopez's timing. He knew he has one-punch KO power, so he was wary of that. It took him until the end of the second round, and if you remember, he landed the harder, cleaner punches in that round at the end. That's when he noticed that the TUE he got for his arm wasn't working that well and that he felt it give. Then he didn't really throw that much until the six round. So there were a lot of things going on in that fight that caused a delay. Then after that, he turned it up, and Loma outlanded Lopez from then all the way to the 12th round. He landed more punches in the 12th round than Lopez. So that Loma vs Lopez fight was a one off. Lopez caught Loma at the right time. Lighting in a bottle. Lopez knew it too, which is why he avoided the rematch at all cost. He decided to fight Kambosos for much less than what he would have got for Loma. Top Rank wanted to do a PPV with Loma and Lopez II. So that should tell you everything. Lopez knew what was up.

The problem with Haney is that he's much bigger than Loma, so he's going to be a ***** to deal with when he hugs. Everyone says Haney's footwork and this and that, but Haney's footwork is not that great. It really isn't. If Diaz could cut the ring off and collapse the pocket, what the hell does everyone think Loma is going to do? lol Seriously.

The only thing that Loma has to worry about is Haney's jab, which is his main weapon. Haney relies on his jab to score enough points to win fights. That's how heavily he relies on it. So Loma will have to disable that jab. He can do that. Provided Loma hasn't slowed down that much, and we have the same Loma that we saw in his last two fights, I don't think Haney is going to be able to do very much. It will be a slow, methodical beat down.

[The Big Dunn]

Loma was hesitant because he was trying to get Lopez's timing. He knew he has one-punch KO power, so he was wary of that. It took him until the end of the second round, and if you remember, he landed the harder, cleaner punches in that round at the end. That's when he noticed that the TUE he got for his arm wasn't working that well and that he felt it give. Then he didn't really throw that much until the six round. So there were a lot of things going on in that fight that caused a delay. Then after that, he turned it up, and Loma outlanded Lopez from then all the way to the 12th round. He landed more punches in the 12th round than Lopez. So that Loma vs Lopez fight was a one off. Lopez caught Loma at the right time. Lighting in a bottle. Lopez knew it too, which is why he avoided the rematch at all cost. He decided to fight Kambosos for much less than what he would have got for Loma. Top Rank wanted to do a PPV with Loma and Lopez II. So that should tell you everything. Lopez knew what was up.

The problem with Haney is that he's much bigger than Loma, so he's going to be a ***** to deal with when he hugs. Everyone says Haney's footwork and this and that, but Haney's footwork is not that great. It really isn't. If Diaz could cut the ring off and collapse the pocket, what the hell does everyone think Loma is going to do? lol Seriously.

The only thing that Loma has to worry about is Haney's jab, which is his main weapon. Haney relies on his jab to score enough points to win fights. That's how heavily he relies on it. So Loma will have to disable that jab. He can do that. Provided Loma hasn't slowed down that much, and we have the same Loma that we saw in his last two fights, I don't think Haney is going to be able to do very much. It will be a slow, methodical beat down.

This post is disgraceful. You’re not giving Teo any credit for beating Loma, making excuses after excuse for Teo beating him.

If that isn’t bad enough, you’re already making excuses should Haney beat him.

When Loma loses, guys like you give him every excuse for coming up short and then preemptively make excuses for him should he lose.

You defended Loma for dropping the belt. You posted he arguably beat Teo when he clearly lost. You blame Teo when Loma didn’t have a rematch clause. You picked Kambosos would win because you want Loma to have the easiest pathway possible to being an undisputed champ. When that failed, you labeled Haney a cheater and criticized him when he easily beat Kambosos. Disgraceful.

It’s clear you sense Haney might just beat Loma easier than Teo did. You’re doing everything you can to denigrate his resume, talent and skill set before that happens. Just because you want Loma to be the undisputed LW champ.

Utterly pathetic.