You know.......... It's possible that Canelo was never all that good to begin with.

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  • Blond Beast
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    #71
    There’s a relativity to things. Whenever a guy at the very top loses then people will say he’s “exposed”, which is also a word that can come across a bunch of ways.
    Canelo just seemed to hit his ceiling moving up against a bigger guy, a guy his own age, a real good guy.
    Nobody he’s fought in years has prepared him to have to adapt his strategy or style or even really press like the win depended on it. It was just a bridge too far. Sometimes boxing is a game of inches. He missed completely more than ever had before. That taxes you having to pull back those wide misses.
    Everyone on a streak is overrated until they lose. This is nothing new. He’s not the first guy to face this. Course he was talking bout fighting at cruiser or fighting Usyk. So there will be blowback. Thinking he himself won is standard boxing precedent and sadly is worth way more money than admitting anything.
    Fight GGG, then take a year off. Everyone likes a comeback.

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      #72
      Originally posted by Cypocryphy
      As much as I crap on Canelo, he really is a great boxer, a very skilled fighter. I can't take that away from him. The problem is that people think a loss somehow "exposes" a boxer. There's this idea that unless you go through your career undefeated, then you were a fraud. That being said, too many people pumped Canelo up to be better than he actually is, but that happens when you become the face of boxing.

      I mean Floyd was very good at choosing his opponents. He chose opponents that would make him look very good, opponents where he had a high probability of winning. Floyd didn't take risks. People think Bivol was a cherry pick gone wrong, but I've known about Bivol forever now. When I heard that Canelo was going to fight Bivol, he earned my respect. How Bivol was not the favorite going into that fight was beyond me, but I don't mind because Bivol made me a lot of money.

      Canelo is a great boxer, just not as good as some had made him out to be. He's gotten some favorable decisions, but I think the one clear robbery he had was against Golovkin. The others, Lara, Trout, etc. Those were too close, and I think that you can make a good argument for those not being robberies. People need to give Canelo the respect he deserves—with an emphasis on deserves.
      Excellent Post!! Thats right! great fighters lose fights! Can we say it altogether now!? Lol. Kudos for Canelo trying to move on up... It worked for George Jefferson right? seriously Canelo deserves respect for that attempt. There was no exposure at all... people all wear weight differently... Nobody looks at a pitbull, pure muscle that weights 50 pounds and says that it cannot fight against an animal twice its size... because the pitbull has the weight in specific places... they don't even have the bite strength of many other dogs!

      A fighter like Andre Ward carried weight in a certain way that allowed him to fight upwards. Archie Moore and James Toney fought all the way up from middleweight to Heavy. Who knows why they could do that and other fighters could not. Its no knock on Canelo who should be judged at his best fighting weight ultimately.

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        #73
        Originally posted by billeau2

        No... Come on man. Fans are great, but when delusions make people say silly things, it gets real messy.

        Porter is a fighter's fighter. He alway gives it and leaves it in the ring, and is competative with everyone. Canelo has been gifted against fighters that had mobility and should have won... I thought the Trout fight was particularly egregious, even more than the Lara fight... But Canelo has great punching and works enough boxing techniques in there to make him superb... No not the natural talent of Crawford, but a great puncher...

        But GGG is a level above Porter. and even if Canelo got a gift against GGG it was two competative fights. No one but Mayweather ever outclassed Canelo (a young Canelo)... unlike what sweet pea did to Chavez for example.
        He's more Bud fan than fight fan.

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          #74
          Originally posted by BodyBagz

          He's more Bud fan than fight fan.
          So now resume's don't matter anymore? What about a gift win over a B level Danny Jacobs, David lemeuix, gift win over dervenchenko is better than arguably beating a prime Thurman and spence?

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            #75
            Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

            So now resume's don't matter anymore? What about a gift win over a B level Danny Jacobs, David lemeuix, gift win over dervenchenko is better than arguably beating a prime Thurman and spence?
            Now you're catching on how posting resumes works

            You've just named fighters better than Horn...by far.

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              #76
              Originally posted by BodyBagz

              Now you're catching on how posting resumes works

              You've just named fighters better than Horn...by far.
              Lemieux? Hilarious.

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                #77
                Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

                Lemieux? Hilarious.
                LeMeh would absolutely slaughter Horn.

                All you have is the worst version of Porter to hang your hat on.

                I kinda feel sorry for Bud fans. He gave them nothing.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by BodyBagz

                  LeMeh would absolutely slaughter Horn.

                  All you have is the worst version of Porter to hang your hat on.

                  I kinda feel sorry for Bud fans. He gave them nothing.
                  Why is he the worst version? Because you say so? Funny, it was all you canelo fans saying this was the best porter after he made spence go life and death with him and insisted bud was ducking Shawn.

                  He gave us the satisfication of fighting the opponents that haters like you asked for. When has canelo done that for you? Why won't he fight Andrade, Charlo, Benavidez? Nobody wanted Dmitry Bivol.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by TernceBudCharlo

                    Why is he the worst version? Because you say so? Funny, it was all you canelo fans saying this was the best porter after he made spence go life and death with him and insisted bud was ducking Shawn.

                    He gave us the satisfication of fighting the opponents that haters like you asked for. When has canelo done that for you? Why won't he fight Andrade, Charlo, Benavidez? Nobody wanted Dmitry Bivol.
                    Does anyone take you seriously with your Porter and Horn rants ?

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by BodyBagz

                      Does anyone take you seriously with your Porter and Horn rants ?
                      I didn't even bring up Jeff horn, that was you

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