Canelo dropped to #6 p4p with 1 loss?

[jaded]

The honeymoon is over.

[edgarg]

due to how conclusive it was. It was pretty much a shut out if it was a closer fight he would of moved maybe 2/3 slots at most imo, he showed he cannot adapt to save his life which is a big thing for p4p obviously.

Having him on the lb for lb list at all, doesn't say much about those in front of him.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I think I can cover both of the above with one response but J below will need his own

Both of you sound like you're saying it's better to just accept defeat. I'm too ****** to understand this idea. It's always better to try.

Not accept defeat - you still fight, but just saying F it and going in there to possibly get knocked out? Why?

Accepting defeat is what you saw from Commey against Lomachenko where both guys completely stopped engaging for the last 20 seconds of the fight.



What we said about THAT fight, starts @8:10

[buddyr]

I'm starting to think that pfp #1 **** is a curse. /choclatito was destroyed by Runvisai and ko'd in the rematch. Roy Ko'd in 2 by Tarver. I believe Toney was pfp #1 when Roy shut him out. Either him or Sweet pea, I have to go back to my old ring mags to see.. but I know that propped up sweet pea to #1 unquestionably at the time.

[SplitSecond]

I'm starting to think that pfp #1 **** is a curse. /choclatito was destroyed by Runvisai and ko'd in the rematch. Roy Ko'd in 2 by Tarver. I believe Toney was pfp #1 when Roy shut him out. Either him or Sweet pea, I have to go back to my old ring mags to see.. but I know that propped up sweet pea to #1 unquestionably at the time.

Probably because you gotta keep fighting killers to stay #1. Or the fighter’s ego start to believe it and thus they start overextending themselves. Not complaining either way.

[Marchegiano]

Not accept defeat - you still fight, but just saying F it and going in there to possibly get knocked out? Why?

Let me show you something bud:

At least Wilder went out swinging. Canelo had his back against the ropes for most of his fight.

Well, that's what got Jesus 'El Matador' Chavez quitting against Floyd, because the more that guy threw, Floyd was blocking or evading (or both) and countering the hell out of him. Better to at least go the distance in loss, like Clottey against Manny.

Your quote in response to me looks like a response that would have worked in the context of TBE's post as well, but you liked that post.

Just a reminder:

I think dropping his guard and showing off his head movement while being in double digit rounds and having won very few prior showed just how incapable of adaptation Canelo is.

I really don't understand why dudes in a losing fight almost never go for broke anymore. When you need a KO, keep ****ing punching son. Getting hit doesn't matter anymore, punch, you might still win. Defense ain't going to swing a fight you lost every round in. Punching can.

And so I legit don't understand the resistance or argument or whatever you want to call it. I just see you as a bit inconsistent there bud. Should I said swinging instead of punching? I'm just being a **** obviously but it is a bit funny.

I'll just ask you directly so you can get a chance to clarify; would you rather a fighter go out swinging or do their best to make sure they go the distance:

Well, that's what got Jesus 'El Matador' Chavez quitting against Floyd, because the more that guy threw, Floyd was blocking or evading (or both) and countering the hell out of him. Better to at least go the distance in loss, like Clottey against Manny.

I'd've called it the full 12 instead of distance, I'm using your word choice to **** with you just a little. I hope you don't get upset, I'm just playing, it's meant to be real light ****ery.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Let me show you something bud:







Your quote in response to me looks like a response that would have worked in the context of TBE's post as well, but you liked that post.

Just a reminder:



And so I legit don't understand the resistance or argument or whatever you want to call it. I just see you as a bit inconsistent there bud. Should I said swinging instead of punching? I'm just being a **** obviously but it is a bit funny.

I'll just ask you directly so you can get a chance to clarify; would you rather a fighter go out swinging or do their best to make sure they go the distance:



I'd've called it the full 12 instead of distance, I'm using your word choice to **** with you just a little. I hope you don't get upset, I'm just playing, it's meant to be real light ****ery.

There are three situations. You're treating them as one.

1. You do F all for rounds (Commey against Loma, Clottey against Manny, Canelo against Bivol, Thurman against Manny, Joshua against Ruiz 2, Chavez Jr. vs Canelo, Garcia against Spence, Chavez Jr. vs Silva, Bum****a against Rolls, etc) so it goes the distance.

2. You up the aggression but not to the point that you put yourself at risk (Horn against Manny, Joshua against Usyk, Lemieux against Saunders, Fury against Wallin, Eubank against Groves, Joshua against Grabomir, Spence against Porter, etc) whether it goes the distance or not

3. You start throwing with reckless abandon because you don't want to lose and end up getting knocked out or seriously hurt (Cory Spinks against Bundrage, Algieri against Spence, Bradley against Ruslan, Bradley against Chaves, Chavez against Floyd, Duran against Hearns, Margacheato against Manny, Cobbs against Rocha, Gamboa against Crawford, Gamboa against Cruz, etc)

I support #1.
I support #2.


It's the "Sweet Science" for a reason.

By the way, not all fights are 12 rounds.

[TheCell8]

It makes no sense. He loses 5 spots because he moves up in weight to fight a champion in that weight class. I'm not a Canelo fan, but that for 1 loss in 9 years, given that he was a champ in 4 weight classes, is maybe a loss of 1 spot at best. Not 5.

[jaded]

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[just the facts]

Also keep in mind Latino fighters are no where near as privileged as afro American and cuacasian fighters.

So your hero Canelo:

1. got to fight M Hatton (who was a career 147 lber and a poor fighter even by British standards) for the vacant WBC 154 lb title. How’s that for privilege?

2. Fought the WBC #4 ranked contender (Ryan Rhodes, at #4, a joke all by itself) and the WBC counted it as a mandatory. How’s that for privilege?

3. the WBC let him defend the 154 lb belt vs Alfonso Gomez and Victor Ortiz. Two career 140 lbers. How’s that for privilege?

4. in the fight vs Floyd, one judge scored the fight a draw. Canelo won 3 rounds maximum. How’s that for privilege?

5. vs Lara one judge scored 117-111 for Canelo. Lara won at least 5 rds. How’s that for privilege?

6. the first ggg fight, in a fight that ggg won minimum 116-112, the scores were 118-110 Canelo, 114-114 a draw and 115-113 ggg. Even the ggg scorecard was off base. How’s that for privilege?

7. made fighter go to 155 for middleweight title fights and got away with it. How’s that for privilege?

8. got mandated to fight Yildrim by the WBC. When was the last time a p4p #1 was mandated to fight a worse fighter than Yildrim? How’s that for privilege?

9. Canelo won 3 rds maximum vs Bivol yet was rewarded three scored of 115-113. Astonishingly enough all three judges gave Canelo the first four rounds. FIXED! How’s that for privilege?

Take your poor me, racial victim and stick it in your asz.