Comments Thread For: Bivol Believes Canelo Won 'Maximum' 4 Rounds

[juanpablo]

Bet you thought you’ve been here awhile?

you mean because of the 2004 join year? Not too many ppl around today joined that year.

[Monty Fisto]

I’m not hating on Canelo. I actually grew to like him. I think his move up in weight was admirable and something not a lot of fighters are doing nowadays. I also agree that most times if not all the times, fighters don’t enter fights thinking they have zero chances of winning. Especially when you start becoming a more recognized name in the sport. But hearing Hearn tell Bivol straight up that they practically chose him based on his last two performances on which he didn’t look as impressive, just sours the moment for me in regards to Canelo and the narrative that he really was seeking greatness. Was it a move worthy of admiration? Of course. Not everyone is moving up in weight. But Hearn’s comment takes away some shine from Canelo’s move. It was big but just not as big.

Since you are talking narratives, here is one for you:

Bivol has a long-term co-promotional deal with Matchroom. Hearn has a working business relationship with Canelo, but Canelo is a free agent. He works with other promoters also. While he is extremely lucrative for Matchroom when he works with them, there is a risk he could strike up a lasting relationship with a rival promoter, which would be a big negative for Hearn.

While Hearn would have been happy with either outcome, Bivol winning is strategically a better outcome for Matchroom than Canelo.

Those talking about a fix are having a laugh. What kind of a fix gives you the wrong result? How does that even work?

Final question: Canelo talking about beating Usyk... Did that notion really begin with Canelo? Maybe someone has been whispering in his ear a long time to build up his confience in believing there was little risk in moving up to take on big challenges.

[Queen_Leia]

I saw a video from the post fight press conference in which Hearn tells Bivol that he didn’t expect Bivol to perform the way he did after seeing his last two fights. Only proving that Canelo and team underestimated Bivol. Was it a feat worthy of admiration? Sure. But not to the extent some of us have labeled it. Hearn clearly admits that he didn’t expect the Bivol from this past Saturday after watching his last two fights. They thought they were going to catch Bivol slipping.

Just because Hearn thought Bivol was a slouch, doesn't mean Saul & Reynoso did.

Every interview I've seen from Saul & Reynosos pre & post fight he says that Bivol is a good fighter & challenging fighter & they want challenges.

[OhMightyThanos]

I agree with the notion that fighters don't take fights that they think they cannot win. So, I'll ask the question, "What did Canelo's team not see about how dangerous Bivol proved to be?" Did they overlook his power? I believe yes. His knockout percentage is not reflective of his power. Did they overestimate the power Canelo would carry to 175? Yes. He was not able to hurt, or even beat Bivol's arms down to reveal his head. Did they underestimate his skills? Absolutely. These are the basic questions that most of us ask following the fight. I believe the Bivol power question is the most significant. The power at 175 is not something Canelo likes tasting. It leaves him second guessing his desire to engage, erring a little more on the side of caution than he has in his last 5 outings. They viewed Bivol's last five fights as an indicator that he can put fighters away at 175. The belief was that Canelo could endure whatever Bivol had to offer. But in the ring, Canelo was not willing to walk through that fire. There was more their than he expected... more than he bargained for. Canelo wanted to lay on the ropes and counter. He was the slower fighter. Bivol did not want to give that to Canelo. He didn't take the bait

[HeadShots]

He wants rematch lol

[SweetScience]

you mean because of the 2004 join year? Not too many ppl around today joined that year.

I was in college, now married with 2 kids. I don’t post anymore but since Canelo lost, I had to check out the feedback. I was at the fight and still big boxing fan but I don’t have the passion to debate anymore.

[Roadblock]

I’m not hating on Canelo. I actually grew to like him. I think his move up in weight was admirable and something not a lot of fighters are doing nowadays. I also agree that most times if not all the times, fighters don’t enter fights thinking they have zero chances of winning. Especially when you start becoming a more recognized name in the sport. But hearing Hearn tell Bivol straight up that they practically chose him based on his last two performances on which he didn’t look as impressive, just sours the moment for me in regards to Canelo and the narrative that he really was seeking greatness. Was it a move worthy of admiration? Of course. Not everyone is moving up in weight. But Hearn’s comment takes away some shine from Canelo’s move. It was big but just not as big.

There were many reasons why Bivol was chosen, its a little narrow to think Eddie's opinion is the only opinion, I bet every connection of Canelo will be saying he was better than what we thought, that's just the nature of competition doesn't mean he was a cherry-pick like a coming of surgery or loss etc, Canelo would think he can beat him from viewing him fight, he would weigh up the plus and minus and then go for it, he got it wrong, I think he underestimated the weight effects more than anything.

I guess Im trying to say people are trying hard to read things into it that are not really anything but normal chit-chat surrounding a big fight.

[Nash out]

If Bivol scored it 116-112, and the Great Nash scored it 116-112, then we all have to accept that 116-112 is pretty much **** on. Nash out.

[Kpmaryland]

Anybody listen to teddy atlas’ breakdown of this fight? Also his ideas on corrupt judging and what could occur? I think no way Canelo won more than 3 rds. He didn’t look as great as I have seen him

[Ropeydope]

I rewatched the fight while scoring it on Boxrec. I couldn’t give Canelo more than 3 rounds, and even that was generous since he was the challenger and never really gave Bivol enough trouble to break his rhythm.
No need for a rematch. Make GGG fight and give Bivol Beterbiev/Smith winner.
Maybe sometime down the line Bivol can come down for those belts at 168.