Canelo Messed Up By Fighting Bivol

[Hustle]

All he got to do is go back down to his weight and dominate and all will be forgotten very quickly, it will be he was too green for Floyd and too fat for Bivol, all he has to do is go back and KO GGG and he is on top again, just the way the sport rolls.

too green for bivol too

[Queen_Leia]

Taking on Spence this fall, a young hungry p4p top 5 lion in his prime, brutally hurting or stopping almost everyone in his path, and coming up 3 weight classes to do it, that will be daring to be great. He has been trying to make that fight happen for years now, calling him out 24/7, and this fall I think it will happen.

Huh? He hasn't fought Spence yet and there is no guarantee that the fight will be done, it's not even scheduled...we can't give credit for something that hasn't happened.

Can you give me another instance of Crawford actually doing it and daring to be great. Something that has already happened in his career? a daring to be great moment.

Alvarez, whether you agree regarding him daring to be great or not, has at least fought Bivol so there is no "he's willing to fight Bivol" moment, he's done it already.

[Toffee]

All he got to do is go back down to his weight and dominate and all will be forgotten very quickly, it will be he was too green for Floyd and too fat for Bivol, all he has to do is go back and KO GGG and he is on top again, just the way the sport rolls.

On top again yes. I mean, I'm not sure he isn't still on top right now.

But unless he rematches and beats Bivol, the 'how high can he go?' debate is over, If it isn't already.

That was the storyline that was elevating him to insane heights and bringing in casuals. Without that he's just another top fighter in the middle weight categories.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It was hardly a bad loss. But yes he lost.

The positives are, he was not knocked down and he lasted the full 12 rounds.

People are being dramatic.

If Alvarez was beaten up and knocked out, now that would really be a cause for concern.

Alvarez right now as we speak, probably still thinks he won. People may mock this, I take this as a positive.

If Alvarez after the fight was stating that he lost, and he has no idea what is going to do next. Then people can be all dramatic.

None of this is the case, Alvarez is motivated. A war is a collection of battles, looks like the war is not over between Alvarez & Bivol etc.

[MaksBox]

It was hardly a bad loss. But yes he lost.

The positives are, he was not knocked down and he lasted the full 12 rounds.

People are being dramatic.

If Alvarez was beaten up and knocked out, now that would really be a cause for concern.

Alvarez right now as we speak, probably still thinks he won. People may mock this, I take this as a positive.

If Alvarez after the fight was stating that he lost, and he has no idea what is going to do next. Then people can be all dramatic.

None of this is the case, Alvarez is motivated. A war is a collection of battles, looks like the war is not over between Alvarez & Bivol etc.

Alvarez was surely beaten up, and Bivol is not a KO artist.... Bivol outboxed Canelo and 9 out of 10 fights, Bivol beats Canelo. Canelo is too shart/stalky/fat for 175 and cannot hang with people at his level or in their prime who are natural 175. Canelo can barely put a combination together without tiring himself out and we started seeing that as he moved to 160, then 168 and now 175.... except he only fought basic folks at 168, a WAY past prime, DRAINED Kovalev who was there for a paycheck.... and with GGG.... well.... Canelo can thank the judges for saving him from THAT loss.

Canelo is a natural 160 lb fighter.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Huh? He hasn't fought Spence yet and there is no guarantee that the fight will be done, it's not even scheduled...we can't give credit for something that hasn't happened.

Can you give me another instance of Crawford actually doing it and daring to be great. Something that has already happened in his career? a daring to be great moment.

Alvarez, whether you agree regarding him daring to be great or not, has at least fought Bivol so there is no "he's willing to fight Bivol" moment, he's done it already.

Again, I'm pretty sure you were the one who made a thread after the Beterbiev fight asking who had a chance to beat Beterbiev. You mentioned names like Canelo and Danny Jacobs, but not Bivol. I mentioned Bivol and I'm pretty sure you made fun of me for it and said I didn't know **** about boxing

So if this is true, you can't act like he was daring to be great by facing a guy you didn't respect. How can you respect Canelo's opponent selection if you had no respect for Bivol before the fight was announced?

Postol is the closest example to Bivol I can think of. Equal height difference, master boxer, great with distance, undefeated, coming off of a career defining win over Matthyse (while Bivol was coming off of 2 poor performances), great fundamentals and amateur pedigree. The difference is nobody accused Canelo of ducking Bivol. He picks opponents that HE perceives as weak, not opponents that fans want. So he picked Bivol. Bud picked Postol because he was the guy that everyone accused him of ducking period. And thought was the bigger threat to beat Bud. Consensus #1 140 pounder in the world.

[Queen_Leia]

Again, I'm pretty sure you were the one who made a thread after the Beterbiev fight asking who had a chance to beat Beterbiev. You mentioned names like Canelo and Danny Jacobs, but not Bivol. I mentioned Bivol and I'm pretty sure you made fun of me for it and said I didn't know **** about boxing

So if this is true, you can't act like he was daring to be great by facing a guy you didn't respect. How can you respect Canelo's opponent selection if you had no respect for Bivol before the fight was announced?

Postol is the closest example to Bivol I can think of. Equal height difference, master boxer, great with distance, undefeated, coming off of a career defining win over Matthyse (while Bivol was coming off of 2 poor performances), great fundamentals and amateur pedigree. The difference is nobody accused Canelo of ducking Bivol. He picks opponents that HE perceives as weak, not opponents that fans want. So he picked Bivol. Bud picked Postol because he was the guy that everyone accused him of ducking period. And thought was the bigger threat to beat Bud. Consensus #1 140 pounder in the world.

I found that thread and this is what I wrote in one of the responses, you can go there and read it yourself...it's unedited:

I'll further clarify that Bivol and Canelo are the only fighters today from 160-200 who if they fought beterbiev at 175 I would pick to even last the distance.

Now back on topic.

You brought up Postol, a fighter who was in the SAME weight division (Postal is a career 140 lber) as Crawford. I mean he unified the belt by beating Postol at 140 but didn't Alvarez do the same thing by unifying at 168.

I was looking for you to provide me with a daring to be great moment...be honest, is anyone even talking about that Postal fight as a daring to be great moment (other than yourself) in Crawford career.


It's fine, bro...Crawford doesn't have any daring moments. While fighters like Floyd, Pacquiao, Alvarez (IMO, you don't have to agree) have those moments where they are fighting aside of their comfort zone 5 or 6 weight classes from where they started their careers fighting champions.

[Ronn]

Now his hype has gone down as people were saying he was unbeatable and that he can beat Usyk at 201. Even if he had won vs Bivol he wouldnt get that much more credit than if he beat Benavidez or Charlo so the risk wasnt worth taking as few were even interested in this fight going in (ticket sales were poor). He wouldve made more money and had gotten the same amount of credit had he gone the Charlo/Benavidez route. Another Eddie Hearn mess up with picking Bivol.

Eddie Hearns set him up. But Clownelo is to ****** to see it.

[TernceBudCharlo]

I found that thread and this is what I wrote in one of the responses, you can go there and read it yourself...it's unedited:




Now back on topic.

You brought up Postol, a fighter who was in the SAME weight division (Postal is a career 140 lber) as Crawford. I mean he unified the belt by beating Postol at 140 but didn't Alvarez do the same thing by unifying at 168.

I was looking for you to provide me with a daring to be great moment...be honest, is anyone even talking about that Postal fight as a daring to be great moment (other than yourself) in Crawford career.


It's fine, bro...Crawford doesn't have any daring moments. While fighters like Floyd, Pacquiao, Alvarez (IMO, you don't have to agree) have those moments where they are fighting aside of their comfort zone 5 or 6 weight classes from where they started their careers fighting champions.

I don't remember, I thought you made fun of me for saying Bivol, but I'l take your word for it.

Same division sure, but Bud had also come up from 135 and was giving up a massive height and each advantage. And he fought him because he was coming off of a career defining perfomance. Canelo picks his opponents who come off of weak performances. You know this is true whether you want to admit it or not. GGG, Jacobs, Kovalev, Callum Smith, Plant. BIVOL.

Even if you think Alvarez has taken more risks than Bud is its just objectively FALSE to put him in the same sentence as Floyd and Manny. Floyd and Manny were way too small for 147/154. Most of their fights they'd weigh in at the limit and LOSE weight the next day. They would have to eat extra just to come in around 147.

Margarito had a good 25lbs on pac and Canelo had 15 on Floyd. Canelo is the polar opposite, he is the heavier guy every time he fights, which makes him more durable and able to deal with his opponent's power. A good example is the Liam smith fight. The size difference wasn't even fair, Canelo looked at least 2-3 weight classes bigger and you know it's true. There was a period in the middle rounds where canelo just got lazy and let smith hit him a few times. It did nothing. But then Canelo fired back with a body shot and that was all she wrote. Every fight Floyd and Manny fought at 147 they'd have at least 15lb disadvantage. When has canelo ever done that? When has canelo ever stepped in the ring with a man heavier than him? The answer is he hasn't, we know it can't be Kovalev because there was a rehydration clause.

Even in the Bivol fight, Bivol was 183 (and there are rumors now there was a rehydration clause). Canelo was the heavier man.

If anything a better example of risk takers Darin to be great by fighting bigger opponents are Usyk and Wilder, who gave up 20 and 50lbs in their HW fights. Not Alvarez.

It's just objectively false that Canelo is the biggest dare to be great fighter of this era, let alone comparing him to Floyd and Manny. Roman Gonzalez was tiny compared to SSR. And he fought like an absolute ****king warrior that first fight, fighting 12 rounds all out with a nasty gash from what should have been ruled an illegal headbutt, and getting robbed on the cards. Lomachenko probably gave up 15lbs and 3 inches to Lopez. But at least he rallied and dug deep at the end. Wilder dug deep. Canelo just quit. Period. And that against a man who weighed the same as him.

[Queen_Leia]

I don't remember, I thought you made fun of me for saying Bivol, but I'l take your word for it.

Same division sure, but Bud had also come up from 135 and was giving up a massive height and each advantage. And he fought him because he was coming off of a career defining perfomance. Canelo picks his opponents who come off of weak performances. You know this is true whether you want to admit it or not. GGG, Jacobs, Kovalev, Callum Smith, Plant. BIVOL.

Even if you think Alvarez has taken more risks than Bud is its just objectively FALSE to put him in the same sentence as Floyd and Manny. Floyd and Manny were way too small for 147/154. Most of their fights they'd weigh in at the limit and LOSE weight the next day. They would have to eat extra just to come in around 147.

Margarito had a good 25lbs on pac and Canelo had 15 on Floyd. Canelo is the polar opposite, he is the heavier guy every time he fights, which makes him more durable and able to deal with his opponent's power. A good example is the Liam smith fight. The size difference wasn't even fair, Canelo looked at least 2-3 weight classes bigger and you know it's true. There was a period in the middle rounds where canelo just got lazy and let smith hit him a few times. It did nothing. But then Canelo fired back with a body shot and that was all she wrote. Every fight Floyd and Manny fought at 147 they'd have at least 15lb disadvantage. When has canelo ever done that? When has canelo ever stepped in the ring with a man heavier than him? The answer is he hasn't, we know it can't be Kovalev because there was a rehydration clause.

Even in the Bivol fight, Bivol was 183 (and there are rumors now there was a rehydration clause). Canelo was the heavier man.

If anything a better example of risk takers Darin to be great by fighting bigger opponents are Usyk and Wilder, who gave up 20 and 50lbs in their HW fights. Not Alvarez.

It's just objectively false that Canelo is the biggest dare to be great fighter of this era, let alone comparing him to Floyd and Manny. Roman Gonzalez was tiny compared to SSR. And he fought like an absolute ****king warrior that first fight, fighting 12 rounds all out with a nasty gash from what should have been ruled an illegal headbutt, and getting robbed on the cards. Lomachenko probably gave up 15lbs and 3 inches to Lopez. But at least he rallied and dug deep at the end. Wilder dug deep. Canelo just quit. Period. And that against a man who weighed the same as him.

We've keep this conversation respectful so I want to preface this by saying I like Crawford...he's # 3 on my P4P list but he move up 1 weight class (from 135 to 140) & campaigning there fighting several fights before fighting Postal is not a daring moment.


Pacquiao moved up 8 weight division; Mayweather moved up 5 weight division. Alvarez has moved up 7 weight classes starting his career at 140...all fought champion, killers & excellent boxers.

Crawford has moved up 2 weigh classes & the best fighter he's fought during the move is Shawn Porter...he's not a champion, killers & excellent boxer when they fought.