What happened to Canelos counter punching skills?

[i_am_a_champ]

Canelo is a great counter puncher bivol just managed to keep him at perfect range and get in and out before canelos counters landed


Bivols footwork last night was incredible he made canelo miss huge counters with just his in and out footwork

Canelo can catch fighters like plant and bjs but once they go in for their own attack theyre mostly off balanced or over committed and get hit with canelos quick counters

Nothing wrong with canelo last night he just fought a great fighter


I honestly think bivol will take beterbiev to school in a similar way ,he's a special fighter .Great offence and defence and never off balance or over commiting

I was I.pressed with the way he totally shut down pascal and he did the exact same to a beter fighter in canelo

Pascal was similar in his counter punching ability to a lesser degree but he was always in any fight he's been in...he's good at catching shots and coming back with quick counter hooks to the body or head which made him always in a fight even if he was getting beaten up

But against bivol he had no success he was absolutely shut down in the department

Excellent point about range, that was another deciding factor. Most of Bivol's shots when he opened up and fired back was keeping Canelo at the end of his punches. The shorter man in Canelo who is more flat footed could not also close the distance and Bivols footwork was brilliant. He did not take step wrong

[jabuppercut]

It's the size. Size and weight classes matter. Canelo is small even for 168 and doesn't belong at 175. Things tactically that Bivol did fighters in lower weight classes can't get away with it against Canelo. Bivol was never hurt by any shots even when canelo landed clean shots guys at lower weights couldn't take. Only pain he mentioned was Canelo shots to his shoulder. Canelo won titles in 4 weight classes which is hard to do when you start at these higher weights and finally giving up all these physical advantages to men naturally much bigger caught up.

Bivol is not some alltime great skilled fighter and he's not p4p more skilled then canelo but he's much bigger and skilled enough to beat this version canelo that shouldn't be at 175. History is littered with examples of a good big man beating a great little man. Size and weight classes matter

[i_am_a_champ]

Go watch Canelo vs Cotto. Floyd mostly went into a shell when being hit with combinations that's y he had trouble with volume punchers. I can tell ur a casual

Okay Rambo

[IceTrayDaGang]

Over confidence he went in with the wrong game plan. He thought he can just **** Bivol out.

this right here... it seems like canelo thought he could just go in there and land a big shot and end the fight.

[jabuppercut]

Canelo being 5'8 winning his first world title at 154 moving up to 175 is like Bivol moving up to heavyweight and see how he fares against Tyson Fury. He will not look the same and can not fight the same way against heavyweights tactically when you are giving up so many physical advantages to guys bigger, taller, longer, hit harder and can take bigger punches.

[Ronn]

what happened to his counter punching vs fmw and lara? based on compubox bivol fighting is more similar to those guys. a lot of body shots but an inability to hit the head. maybe it's the style of the fighter like not fighting andrade for undisputed at 160. just a thought. maybe reynoso was full of himself while watching the films and missed certain nuances about bivol

Reynoso has been debunked over the last fortnight.
He is the mexican Buddy Mcgirt

[Ronn]

Bivol said something insightful at the post fight presser. He was forcing Canelo to be the aggressor while Bivol played the counter puncher himself, he would block Canelos shots then unload with his sharp and accurate combos when Canelo would reset. Bivol was fluidly transitioning from offense to defense while Canelo fought in a rigid rhythm. Seems like Bivol had Canelo studied down to a T.

As successful as he was with these tactics. It showed Bivols limitations. He was far to passive. And should have put it on Canelo.
He let the ginger of the hook every time he hurt him.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Canelo being 5'8 winning his first world title at 154 moving up to 175 is like Bivol moving up to heavyweight and see how he fares against Tyson Fury. He will not look the same and can not fight the same way against heavyweights tactically when you are giving up so many physical advantages to guys bigger, taller, longer, hit harder and can take bigger punches.

Alvarez has always been a middle weight, playing the big man at welterweight.

His ideal weight class is 160 - 168 pounds.

It is nothing like Bivol moving up to heavyweight. Fighters are separated by stones, not pounds in that division.

Alvarez at light heavyweight in my opinion, is not really fighting fighters who are out size him by miles. Alvarez has a different body type to Bivol, Alvarez is dense and sturdy etc.

[Ronn]

Canelo being 5'8 winning his first world title at 154 moving up to 175 is like Bivol moving up to heavyweight and see how he fares against Tyson Fury. He will not look the same and can not fight the same way against heavyweights tactically when you are giving up so many physical advantages to guys bigger, taller, longer, hit harder and can take bigger punches.

lmao XD XD

[Ronn]

Excellent point about range, that was another deciding factor. Most of Bivol's shots when he opened up and fired back was keeping Canelo at the end of his punches. The shorter man in Canelo who is more flat footed could not also close the distance and Bivols footwork was brilliant. He did not take step wrong

Did you even watch the fight?