Who has a better chance in their Rematches? Alvarez or Joshua

[champion4ever]

Well yes you are right. If you have track my posts on Joshua, I have always said this also.

But I give him credit for battling through his trauma.Sometimes a damaged individual can be dangerous.

I do find it a complete phenomenon how Joshua reacted to that loss. I have honestly never seen such a hang over in a elite fighter 'I think it is because Joshua is a reflective fighter, and has obsessed over it'. But this obsessive reflection, was also the reason why he won the rematch with Ruiz Junior.

Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson. All these fighters suffered loses, and brutal loses. Loses where they where ****** out, or involved in extremely brutal fights.

But they all recovered, their characters seemed to snap back. It must be a specific skill that some fighters have.

Dillian Whyte has this skill, it was impressive how he bounced back real quick after his loss to Povetkin. Can he do the same after the Fury loss?

When I say bounced back. Some fighters seem to be able to remain unchanged by trauma 'Their attitude'. Well that is how they appear on the surface, of course underneath the surface there would of been changes.

In some ways, they adapt and become better fighters. Some area of their game will improve, that could be? Decision making, conditioning, creativity.

But of course may come a point a limit, where a fighter can no longer adapt to a loss.

Is Anthony Joshua in that situation vs Uysk? Has he reached the limit, where he has no answers for Usyk?

I don't think he has, and judging by the responses on this thread. Deep down people understand this.

All the things that have amplified Joshua's trauma, are also all the traits which make him a extremely dangerous individual during the long game 'During a war'. Joshua has near psychopathic work ethic, he has a ability to obsess over situations, events and minute detail 'People forget that he started boxing late, and at a unprecedented pace he reached the pinnacle winning Olympic Gold' None of this is normal.

Note: During the aftermath of Alvarez vs Bivol. I have also found the number of people calling for Alvarez not to the take the rematch, really strange. It was Teddy Atlas who stated, that sometimes greatness needs resistance, it needs something to overcome, to prove how great it is.

Alvarez vs Bivol II is that moment for Canelo Alvarez.

Perhaps, you are right! Only time would reveal if Anthony Joshua has truly overcome his trauma because he is definitely not the same fighter he once was. He has become more reluctant in taking less risks in the ring now for fear of being countered.

Moreover, he is getting hurt now by naturally smaller and light hitting opponents. Hopefully we shall see that he is indeed back against Usyk. However, I wish him well and much success though as he travels through this journey of his career.

[Outwest Exp 355]

Joshua lost every round like a chump and was nearly stopped

Please kill your self

[Queen_Leia]

The Canelo vs Bivol fight 2 is in many ways not even a rematch. Bivol beat Vegan Canelo, a man who has never won a fight. Next, he will face Mexican beef Canelo, who is unbeaten in 9 great years. Nash out.

There might be some truth to this.

[P to the J]

1st thing 1st, boxing fans have to be the most unappreciative group of fans I've ever seen. Everyone is saying that Joshua & Alvarez shouldn't fight Usyk or Bivol again in rematches...what do we want them to do then? Go fight bums for easy pick up fights.


They told Wilder to stay away from Fury & not fight a 3rd fight (1st fight was a draw) & even thought he lost, he gave a good account of himself in that 3rd fight.

Now on to my question, who has a better chance in their rematches? Alvarez or Joshua

Canelo, because he has ring intelligence, and is at least a proper boxer.

Joshua might have an equalizer relative to Usyk that Canelo doesn't have with Bivol (power), but the gulf in technical class between the latter is not as big to traverse as with Joshua and Usyk.


TLDR: Canelo is smart enough and good enough to adjust, AJ is naaaaaat.

[P to the J]

The Canelo vs Bivol fight 2 is in many ways not even a rematch. Bivol beat Vegan Canelo, a man who has never won a fight. Next, he will face Mexican beef Canelo, who is unbeaten in 9 great years. Nash out.

Vegan Canelo beats on John Fury and Eddie Hills for fun (so I can see why you've dropped them from your P4P list), but loses by split decision to Scott Quigg

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

Is this a serious question? Joshua. Canelo will never be able to beat Bivol in his life.

[Nash out]

Vegan Canelo beats on John Fury and Eddie Hills for fun (so I can see why you've dropped them from your P4P list), but loses by split decision to Scott Quigg

John Fury keeps ducking people so Nash had to remove him. And Eddie Hills doesn't seem to want the Jake Paul smoke, so he went too. Vegan Canelo has potential, but as you can see, he's ranked well below Mexican beef Canelo. Scott Quigg needs to fight again to be considered, but agreed, he gives Vegan 'Nelo all he can handle. Nash out.

[Queen_Leia]

Is this a serious question? Joshua. Canelo will never be able to beat Bivol in his life.

He almost did on the corrupt judges scorecards...Alvarez just needed 1 round for a draw & 2 for the win.

[Rad]

Joshua with his size and power has a chance.

Clen can’t outbox or outfight Bivol.

[billeau2]

1st thing 1st, boxing fans have to be the most unappreciative group of fans I've ever seen. Everyone is saying that Joshua & Alvarez shouldn't fight Usyk or Bivol again in rematches...what do we want them to do then? Go fight bums for easy pick up fights.


They told Wilder to stay away from Fury & not fight a 3rd fight (1st fight was a draw) & even thought he lost, he gave a good account of himself in that 3rd fight.

Now on to my question, who has a better chance in their rematches? Alvarez or Joshua

It is a more interesting question than it first appears. Its not really a question of who is better so much as who has a greater chance for success...

AJ has a puncher's chance against any fighter.

I admire Canelo's pluck...He is a great fighter. Problem for him is Bivol is strong enough to take his shots and walk him down. That is a lot to overcome. It should put in perspective how good Andre Ward was when he went up to Kovalev... lol. Canelo depends a lot oh his punches having an intended effect. His whole defensive manuveurs, his positioning is based on setting up accurate punches.

So... if we ask hypothetically how Joshua would beat Usyk one would say " a very strong punch." But how could Canelo beat Bivol? He doesn't have the volume... he can't fight off the back foot, very few fighters can these days....