Will Canelo be the greatest White fighter that ever lived if he beats Bivol?

[pretty boy_]

I say yes! A lot will be on the line tomorrow night!

[IronDanHamza]

Definitely not but it would be a great feat though if he wins.

[elfag]

yes

name another white fighter with a better resume

and no boomers with some black and white photo of demsey and marciano better cry about it because they aint even close, they fought a bunch of plumbers and construction workers

[-Kev-]

Canelo can beat Bivol, Beterbiev-Smith winner, Mairis Breidis at Cruiser, and Oleksandr Usyk at 201lbs and he would not be accepted as the best white fighter of all time by that group of fans. Lol. Even though the guy is probably 100% European by any modern genetic testing.

But he would absolutely go down as the greatest Mexican fighter of all time. And I mean, who would be a greater Latino/Hispanic boxer in history? I think beating Bivol puts him atop that list honestly. Boxing fans need to get over it. Chavez, JMM, MAB, Morales, Lopez…Canelo is better than them. Sorry. And I love JMM’s ability and resume to death.

[Leonbus2]

yes

name another white fighter with a better resume

and no boomers with some black and white photo of demsey and marciano better cry about it because they aint even close, they fought a bunch of plumbers and construction workers

If Dempsey, Marciano, Pep, and a couple guys from the WW2 generation are not counted, then yes.

But it's sort of like saying that Floyd is the best black boxer ever as long as we don't count Robinson, Armstrong, Lewis, etc.

Canelo probably is the best, but as long as his only competition is preemptively excluded, then what's the point of even asking or answering?

[IronDanHamza]

Canelo can beat Bivol, Beterbiev-Smith winner, Mairis Breidis at Cruiser, and Oleksandr Usyk at 201lbs and he would not be accepted as the best white fighter of all time by that group of fans. Lol. Even though the guy is probably 100% European by any modern genetic testing.

But he would absolutely go down as the greatest Mexican fighter of all time. And I mean, who would be a greater Latino/Hispanic boxer in history? I think beating Bivol puts him atop that list honestly. Boxing fans need to get over it. Chavez, JMM, MAB, Morales, Lopez…Canelo is better than them. Sorry. And I love JMM’s ability and resume to death.

I'd agree with that.

Beating Bivol would make him the #1 Mexican of all time for me.

Would say the #1 Latino is still Carlos Ortiz, IMO.

[pretty boy_]

Guys, forget about all that nationality mumbo jumbo crap for once. This thread is strictly race driven. Where does Canelo rank all time with a win tomorrow night as far as the White's go?

[BoxingIsGreat]

Guys, forget about all that nationality mumbo jumbo crap for once. This thread is strictly race driven. Where does Canelo rank all time with a win tomorrow night as far as the White's go?

I don't know if nationality and race are so cut and dry in this case. I never regarded Canelo as a white fighter, not ever. When I think of a white fighter, I think of someone like Callum Smith or Joe Smith. I never thought of Mexicans as white. I know Mexican is not a race. Whites claiming Canelito is weak.

[BoxingIsGreat]

I don't know if nationality and race are so cut and dry in this case. I never regarded Canelo as a white fighter, not ever. When I think of a white fighter, I think of someone like Callum Smith or Joe Smith. I never thought of Mexicans as white. I know Mexican is not a race. Whites claiming Canelito is weak.

But you said you were race baiting, so go ahead.

[IronDanHamza]

Guys, forget about all that nationality mumbo jumbo crap for once. This thread is strictly race driven. Where does Canelo rank all time with a win tomorrow night as far as the White's go?

From the top of my head most people would consider him below;

Harry Greb
Willie Pep
Barney Ross
Jimmy Mclarnin
Gene Tunney
Benny Leonard
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Jake Lamotta
Billy Conn

Other's I'll surely have forgotten.