When did Tyson Fury shift from feather fisted to power puncher

[KingGilgamesh]

Look at his KO % and you will see it was never indicative of a "feather fisted" fighter. Fury, among other things, shares a very important attribute with fighters like Hollyfield: He is coachable. He is able to listen, take heat while learning a new approach and come out there and execute.

Sugar Hill got him in a routine where he was able to win a punch out with Wilder... When Holyfield was getting ready to fight Tyson, Don Turner taught Holly to move into Mike, and not back off... He taught Holly to push right against that triangle we have when we come foward and have no third leg behind, or, in front of us... Holly had to listen and he did.

When Braddock fought Max Bauer he was taught to develop and use is other hand because of an injury... he listened and became a two handed fighter... Some fighters are coachable... Fury is one of those fighters.

Boom. Great Post. Such a good point. Coachability is MASSIVE. I really like Wilder but this is his achilles heel. He's uncoachable as ****.

[Silence]

Sugar Hill is the best trainer on the planet. Fury's Wilder 2 and Whyte performances are top notch. He teached Fury significance of punch power and punch accuracy. Fury beats his opponents with lower output now.

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Look at his KO % and you will see it was never indicative of a "feather fisted" fighter. Fury, among other things, shares a very important attribute with fighters like Hollyfield: He is coachable. He is able to listen, take heat while learning a new approach and come out there and execute.

Sugar Hill got him in a routine where he was able to win a punch out with Wilder... When Holyfield was getting ready to fight Tyson, Don Turner taught Holly to move into Mike, and not back off... He taught Holly to push right against that triangle we have when we come foward and have no third leg behind, or, in front of us... Holly had to listen and he did.

When Braddock fought Max Bauer he was taught to develop and use is other hand because of an injury... he listened and became a two handed fighter... Some fighters are coachable... Fury is one of those fighters.

Great post bill, very informative!

[hhh1200]

Hill is a student of Emmanuel, correct? That gym is the birthplace of spark punchers like Thomas Hearns, correct. Look what Emmanuel turned Vald (3 KO defeats) into before his death? Personally, I don't think Fury beats Vlad in Emmanuel had been in the corner. Anyway, what happens when you put Fury 6'9, with great punch resistance for an HW, and have one of Emmanuel's students train him to take the massive size and sit down on his punches? It is really that hard to figure out. The size has always been there to knock you out and he has some of the best punch resistance since Ali (I believe) took a shot *he recovered within around from 4 wilder knockdowns) and give one back, esp when he uses his bulk to wear you down.

[Marchegiano]

Power saps energy, what Sugar has him doing is subtle. YMR was pretty dead on, planted feet, shoulder actually behind the punch, jango you have power.

You can not punch as hard while running away as you can standing still or moving forward. Period, half your energy is being put into moving.

That said, I don't think it's such an egregious take y'all should be called ******, but, this rally around the stats to prove anything about power is a bit silly.

Tyson, STILL, does not hit nearly as hard as he could and his punches are still lazy fat man punches, what standing still gives you is a wall, your fist is a wall, on impact. So when the reaction force, every act has a reaction, that reaction force, has no where to go. Lift your hand off a surface and push an item too heavy for just your index finger. Now plant your thumb and do it....feel the power difference? Hence power gain. Base=power....duh.

So yeah, y'all can be happy with that and its fine but let's be honest about Tyson's power. A man that size can hit way, way, way harder and drop people into those Marciano/Wilder style commas he has never once achieved ever in his entire career because he's a feather fisted tinkerbell.




I mean, if I had a great massive ****in sledgehammer and it did merely as much or less damage as your standard claw hammer one would have to think I must swing my sledge like a ***** right? TF is Fury to Wilder? Marciano? Dempsey? Mike? Why can't he sleep no one? 100 pounds heavier and has slept what four dudes ever?

Let us see:

First, still awake

Second, still awake

Third, still awake

Let's be clear, these are so early in his career he should be getting them Mike Tyson sleeps not these Tyson Fury wabbles.

Fourth KO, awake

Fifth KO, opponent is not slept

Sixth - Slept, full credit to him. That's a proper KO.

Seven - On his feet, Robocop did fine really

Eight - Corner called, awake

Nine - Standing

Ten - Slept for a bit at least right? Ten is Cunningham for those who don't want to follow the video. The clip is **** but from my memory it takes Steve a little second on his back to come back to earth. I'm giving Ty the credit.

Eleven - Awake

Twelve - Standing

Thirteen - Wilder....well awake.

I'll throw Wilder's second KO loss in even though this vid didn't cover it. We all saw Deontay was still awake and got up.


I probably should have watched the vid before using it for this...it's a bit **** for this, admittedly.


That said, of the entire KO reel Tyson slept two guys.

You can't excuse that with caliber....these are jokes he's fighting earlier on.


What's Wilder's sleep rate? What is the size difference between wilder and fury?



So if I hit a brick wall with my sledge and my little claw hammer and the claw hammer damages the brick more then what did I do to achieve this? Swang my sledge like as if my name is Sally and y'all know it's true.


Tyson hits harder than he did, but not hard. Not hard for his size, not hard for HW KOs, just harder than he used to.

[billeau2]

Power saps energy, what Sugar has him doing is subtle. YMR was pretty dead on, planted feet, shoulder actually behind the punch, jango you have power.

You can not punch as hard while running away as you can standing still or moving forward. Period, half your energy is being put into moving.

That said, I don't think it's such an egregious take y'all should be called ******, but, this rally around the stats to prove anything about power is a bit silly.

Tyson, STILL, does not hit nearly as hard as he could and his punches are still lazy fat man punches, what standing still gives you is a wall, your fist is a wall, on impact. So when the reaction force, every act has a reaction, that reaction force, has no where to go. Lift your hand off a surface and push an item too heavy for just your index finger. Now plant your thumb and do it....feel the power difference? Hence power gain. Base=power....duh.

So yeah, y'all can be happy with that and its fine but let's be honest about Tyson's power. A man that size can hit way, way, way harder and drop people into those Marciano/Wilder style commas he has never once achieved ever in his entire career because he's a feather fisted tinkerbell.




I mean, if I had a great massive ****in sledgehammer and it did merely as much or less damage as your standard claw hammer one would have to think I must swing my sledge like a ***** right? TF is Fury to Wilder? Marciano? Dempsey? Mike? Why can't he sleep no one? 100 pounds heavier and has slept what four dudes ever?

Let us see:

First, still awake

Second, still awake

Third, still awake

Let's be clear, these are so early in his career he should be getting them Mike Tyson sleeps not these Tyson Fury wabbles.

Fourth KO, awake

Fifth KO, opponent is not slept

Sixth - Slept, full credit to him. That's a proper KO.

Seven - On his feet, Robocop did fine really

Eight - Corner called, awake

Nine - Standing

Ten - Slept for a bit at least right? Ten is Cunningham for those who don't want to follow the video. The clip is **** but from my memory it takes Steve a little second on his back to come back to earth. I'm giving Ty the credit.

Eleven - Awake

Twelve - Standing

Thirteen - Wilder....well awake.

I'll throw Wilder's second KO loss in even though this vid didn't cover it. We all saw Deontay was still awake and got up.


I probably should have watched the vid before using it for this...it's a bit **** for this, admittedly.


That said, of the entire KO reel Tyson slept two guys.

You can't excuse that with caliber....these are jokes he's fighting earlier on.


What's Wilder's sleep rate? What is the size difference between wilder and fury?



So if I hit a brick wall with my sledge and my little claw hammer and the claw hammer damages the brick more then what did I do to achieve this? Swang my sledge like as if my name is Sally and y'all know it's true.


Tyson hits harder than he did, but not hard. Not hard for his size, not hard for HW KOs, just harder than he used to.

Hard for size is a qualifyer. Seems the bigger one gets the farther one is from the center and the less of a connection with body mechanics related to gravity. Tyson often throws one of the worse jabs... elbows flaired, slapping, but also throws one of the best... Its an interesting contrast lol.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I think his power is still the same, early on in his career? He would routine be knocking down fighters. I don't think he is a monster puncher, but he hits hard enough.

That's every boxer early in their career. I still doubt he has huge power. AJ had Whyte staggering all round the ring in round 1. Fury spent most of the fight being pushed back by Whyte and gave Whyte a huge push after the uppercut which probably ruined his chances of getting up.

[-Kev-]

What are you on ? He has been training everyday to keep himself in check since recovering from his mental health issues.

Exactly my point.

In his post-Klitschko 2015-2019 boxing career, he was being lazy, which made his performances suffer and makes some of his critics use that against him in fantasy fights. He wasn’t 100% focused.

A focused, hard-training Tyson Fury could be a KO artist. If he gets lazy/goes on drug and alcohol binges, he settles for decisions.

Whatever made him lazy in boxing, whether it was his mental health or whatever…it made him lazy and his training and focus suffered.

[MONGOOSE66]

was it Sugarhill....was he the one that made Fury a power puncher from how he was usually described as a feather fisted fighter

He’s NO Wilder but the accumulation is what makes him dangerous.

[Nash out]

If you believe sparring stories, Dave Allen who has sparred most top heavyweights says Fury is the hardest punching once he’s faced when he actually plants his feet and sits down on his shots, it’s just he doesn’t often do it in fights.

Well that’s his account, I suppose he would have no reason to make it up, but boxers are strange. I’ve seen one interview where Mosley says Floyd and Manny have similar power, but nobody would really say that’s correct and Mosley got dropped by Pac too and said he was dazed for multiple rounds. So you never know with boxers and what they say.

He has plenty of stoppage wins, maybe not a lot of one punch knockouts but he still got fighters out of there, nobody seems to try to walk through him, so he can obviously crack. Anyway, AJ is meant to be a big puncher but the vast majority of his stoppages were the ref jumping in, so it’s not like he’s flattening fighters consistently with single shots.

Theres only really Wilder that has been doing that pretty consistently

Ricky Hatton mentioned Floyd hitting much harder than he expected as well. They probably do have similar power you know. Just Pac was much more aggressive in style (than Money Mayweather). Nash out.