De La Hoya Praises Pacquiao's Speed, Not His Power

[MaYaN_SuN]

Oscar dealt with a prime Mosley and even a still quick Whitaker. Both were twice as athletic, twice as fast, and more importantly twice as strong as Paq could ever be lol. But Oscar was soo drained, and looked soo pathetic physically, that I wouldn't be surprised if he was delerious after round 3 in the Paq fight. Paq was divin in, and Oscar just looked frozen every time you expected him to explode. The 3rd round was the only round where he punched, and his arms looked liked they couldn't break Cotton.

As for Paq's power, you don't need to be a ****in genius to know his power won't be a factor above 130 against some real comp. He's just too small. Even at 130 he had to break guys down first. Larios who was a shell of himself and over 50 fights deep and was still able to deal with his power for 12 without getting stopped. I mean David Diaz took 9 rounds of straight punishment before he finally broke down. Kendal Holt stopped Diaz with far less punishment. Oscar was a ****in zombie and looked like a fool tryin to fight Paq while lookin like a AIDS paitent, still took 8 or 9 rounds to finally get Oscar to quit. And Oscar was frail to say the least.

But the Hatton fight lol....Hatton was asleep the split second that punch touched his chin. But how much of that was Paq, and how much was it Hatton? lol You know? I mean no one really gets knocked out like Hatton. That guy always looks like he's on the verge of a big KO loss. lol That's why all the cherry pickers go after him. So I don't think it's a surprise that in a supposed "mega fight" Hatton was the ONE and only guy who couldn't take his punch.

[Beater_of_ass]

Pacquiao wasn't going for power against De La Hoya.

I agree, but by going for power as he did with Hatton, he wasn't exactly winning the 2nd round clearly by any means. I feel his better when he's fast, as when he sets up for power he seems a bit more susceptible to being hit. Morales, Barrera, JMM and even the last few rounds of the DLH fight, I feel showed this. Though, in the DLH fight he didn't get hit, if Oscar was throwing back I think it would have lead to some exchanges. Manny loves to fight, and he showed that very recently in the Hatton fight. I think if you're able to get Manny into a fight, its your only shot to beat him, otherwise he's just going to beat you to the punch and outwork you, dudes a beast.

[Dave Rado]

hey dumbass...i know what i'm reading, i'm just sick of tired of *******S like you using DEHYDRATED, past their prime, too old, any other lame ass excuses just to discredit PACQUIAO's accomplishments. Bottomline is that your pointing out the DEHYDRATED, as an excuse of why PACQUIAO beat DLH that night. It would have not matter that night even if DLH was hydrated, he just got beat by a fighter thats on top of his game. Your just another bitter latino or possibly a mexican who's boxers has gotten their ass kick by FILIPINO boxers.

You're being ridiculously over-sensitive. It was a truly great performance by Pacquiao, and a terrible performance by De La Hoya. To pretend that Pac fought De La Hoya at his best is just idiotic. To pretend that it wasn't a great performance by Pac is also idiotic.

Roach said long before the fight that De La Hoya didn't have it any more, and that he couldn't pull the trigger any more, based on the Forbes fight.

In the Forbes fight, against someone who can't punch for toffee, De La Hoya's face was busted up worse than it had ever been before.

Then in De La Hoya's training camp for the Pac fight, Valero was sacked as a sparring partner because he was beating De La Hoya up. Valero went public about it before the fight and he predicted Pac would win.

Then at the weigh-in, Roach said that De La Hoya was clearly weight drained.

Then after the weigh-on, when De La Hoya was expected to gain 10-15lb and rehydrate to around 160lb, he only gained 2lb and rehydrated to 147lb, and came in lighter than Pac - despite the fact that his biggest advantage was supposed to be his being the naturally heavier man, he came into the ring the lighter man.

That was entirely De La Hoya's fault, and does not excuse him one iota. He signed the contract. He stipulated what the weight should be. He screwed up his training, despite having access to the best conditioning coaches money can buy. He has no excuse. And Pac can only fight the man who is in front of him, and it's not his fault that De La Hoya screwed up. He fought brilliantly that night. His game plan was perfect and he executed it perfectly. It was a truly great performance. But to pretend that DLH was not dehydrated, and to pretend that he had not deteriorated as a fighter in the previous year, is worse than delusional.

There were two factors that made the fight as one-sided as it was - a truly great performance by Pac, and the fact that De La Hoya was a shell of the fighter he had once been. Anyone who claims otherwise is not a boxing fan, they are just a delusional nuthugger. And this in no way detracts from Pacquiao's brilliant performance. What does detract from it is delusional fans who refuse to call a spade a spade.

Would Pac have beaten De La Hoya if the fight had been at 154 and if it had occurred a year earlier? Maybe. We'll never know for certain because it didn't happen. It's perfectly true that De La Hoya always struggled against southpaws, and against very fast fighters. But it would certainly have been a lot more competitive. In any case, ifs and ands are irrelevant. It is what it is. A truly great performance by Pac, but against a man who was weight drained and way past his best. And all Pac fans who are true boxing fans accept that.

[Dave Rado]

power = work / time
work = force * distance
force = mass * acceleration
acceleration = Change of speed with respect to time

This are physics laws. You can see that power is directly proportional to both speed and weight (in the formulas : proportional to mass). You cannot therefore say that having speed/acceleration but do not have the power. If Pac retained his speed and increased his mass, his power also increased. This is all theoretical but I hope you get the point.

That's way too simplistic. Bob Foster was an ATG Light Heavyweight, and is rated by The Ring as P4P the 17th greatest puncher of all time. But when he tried to move up to Heavyweight, he couldn't carry his power up with him. He was destroyed by Ali and Frazier, beaten easily by Zora Folley and Ernie Terrell, and was even stopped in 2 by Bob Hazelton. He was unable to hurt any heavyweight he ever fought, yet he had a murderous punch at Light Heavyweight - in most boxing historians' opinions, he had the biggest punch of any Light Heavyweight in history.

[Dave Rado]

But the Hatton fight lol....Hatton was asleep the split second that punch touched his chin. But how much of that was Paq, and how much was it Hatton? lol You know? I mean no one really gets knocked out like Hatton. That guy always looks like he's on the verge of a big KO loss. lol That's why all the cherry pickers go after him. So I don't think it's a surprise that in a supposed "mega fight" Hatton was the ONE and only guy who couldn't take his punch.

That's ridiculous. Hatton had never been beaten at 140.

He had beaten Tszyu, who, despite what people say was on a 13 fight winning streak, and was coming off a fight of the year win against Sharmba Mitchell just 5 months earlier - and was ranked #4 in The Ring's P4P lists at the time. Tszyu was generally regarded as one of the biggest punchers in the division's history.

He had beaten Castillo, another big puncher, who, despite what people say, was ranked #9 in The Ring's P4P lists at the time that they fought.

He had won almost every round against Urango, another big puncher, who is now IBF champion, and whose power even at Welterweight forced Berto to spend most of the fight holding.

He had knocked out Maussa, who was also a pretty good puncher.

He was recognised by every boxing expert on the planet as the #1 Jnr Welterweight, and had been the lineal Jnr Welterweight champion for nearly four years.

His only loss up to that point had been against the P4P #1 at the time, Mayweather, and that was at 147.

Hatton lost so badly to Pacquiao because his "game plan" was ridiculous. He didn't jab, didn't move his head, kept his hands low, didn't feint, and he left his chin hanging out. He tried to steamroller his way in as if he was fighting a bum, instead of treating Pac like an elite fighter who had to be given respect. And he deservedly paid the price. Plus Pac's game plan was perfect, and perfectly executed.

But to pretend that Pac doesn't have any power when he sits on his punches is crazy.

I doubt Cotto will give him time to sit on his punches, though.

Sugar Ray Leonard didn't generally have a huge punch, because he was always on the move, but he knocked out Dave Green just as dramatically as Pacquiao knocked out Hatton. And Dave Green was not a chinny fighter.

Wilfred Benitez didn't generally have a huge punch, because he was always on the move, but he knocked out Maurice Hope just as dramatically as Pacquiao knocked out Hatton. And Maurice Hope was not a chinny fighter.

If you land with a perfect punch against someone who has left their chin hanging out, you can get a dramatic knock-out against someone who is not necessarily chinny, even if you are not a huge puncher.

But Pac does have decent power when he sits on his punches.

[Zn00p]

The reason DLH quit on his sorry @ss is because he felt Pac's power...
And he knows it will be a matter of time he will get KO'd... hahaha!
It is clearly written on the wall... Pac KO's DLH... he saw the headlines...
So he quits... dumb@ss... hahahaha

[Frank Martin]

That's way too simplistic. Bob Foster was an ATG Light Heavyweight, and is rated by The Ring as P4P the 17th greatest puncher of all time. But when he tried to move up to Heavyweight, he couldn't carry his power up with him. He was destroyed by Ali and Frazier, beaten easily by Zora Folley and Ernie Terrell, and was even stopped in 2 by Bob Hazelton. He was unable to hurt any heavyweight he ever fought, yet he had a murderous punch at Light Heavyweight - in most boxing historians' opinions, he had the biggest punch of any Light Heavyweight in history.

You can say the same in Roy Jones. His power couldnt take down Ruiz.

[victorythagr8]

MP doesnt sound so confident in the press conferences and looks a bit worried? Roach and MP sound and look worried during interviews with reporters and when sized Cotto looks SOLID compared to MP and thats weeks out before they BOTH hit their PRIME. Cotto's main focus in camp is Conditioning, Speed, Defense! Team Cotto is not expecting a tough physical fight like Cheato,Clottey,Judah--COTTO got busted up and still prevailed. Cotto is a smart boxer when not worried about a busted eyes,loaded gloves. PAC is a hell of a fighter but this is not DLH,HATTON this guy can seriously damage MP mentally like Hatton.

you do realize people said the same thing in the past few fights and next you know he completly destroyed them.

[jetgeomcx]

theres two ways i can look at this.
1. Oscars lying - which means he's a douche

2. Oscars telling the truth - which means he've even bigger ***** for quiting.

Either way **** oscar.

also i agree with the poster above, pacman wasn't planting his feet and really landing solid shots, he was always moving.

like the way he planted his legs and wham hatton with a left that reververated around the globe.

[The Underboss]

he left your eye swollen up *****.
pac has good power and speed.
mr fishnet still mad pac retired his ass on the stool .