Who Was More Impressive in Their Last Performance: Spence or Crawford?

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  • just the facts
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    #51
    Originally posted by Silence

    I don't exaggerate anything and blame the ref. The fight was razor close and I scored for Porter. Go and take a look at posts after the fight. Good amount of fans scored for Porter. Just like they scored for Spence. You should learn to respect other opinions.
    Remember this is the d bag who swears there were a lot of close rounds in the Floyd/ Canelo fight.

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      #52
      Originally posted by KTFOKING

      Mediocre chin? If you say so. When Ugas knocked his mouthpiece out, he didn't hurt him there. It was a good shot but not that powerful of a shot. Spence started to look for his mouthpiece and got clock with two clean shots when he wasn't paying attention. Of course those shots are going to do some damage but Spence was fine shortly after. Spence has fought enough good, top fighters that if he had a mediocre chin, he would have been rocked more and dropped at some point
      That poster (Silence, also known as NSBs village idiot) can’t be bothered with facts.

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        #53
        Originally posted by Leicesterage

        No, you're not giving Ugas credit for the fact that
        • Every time Spence tried to engage, he got countered
        • Spence was eating shots he normally would not have including range shots
        • Ugas was WAY busier
        • Ugas was WAY more accurate because Spence couldn't figure out how to get past the jab at first
        You're just judging power punches, NOT the totality of performance. Ugas was busier in the first half of the fight AND more accurate in at least 4 rounds, bro. Spence didn't up his aggression until at least Round 7 after he got wobbled!



        Go back and watch it again. This time, don't watch Porter, watch BoMac. EVERY DAMN ROUND, BoMac is screaming at Crawford to stop fighting Porter's fight. It wasn't until Round 7 that Crawford switched it up. Before that Porter was sneaky avoiding the counter hooks that Crawford was trying to land.



        Because again, you only care about power punches and throwing. NOT the totality of performance.

        Against Danny Swift, Spence showed strong defense, strong evasion, accurate punches, calm and collected performance. That's what beats Crawford. Not the wild swinging he was doing against Ugas.
        Wow, I watched a totally different fight. It’s understood that Ugas won the 6th and if you’re being kind the 1st. Anything other that that is pure bu!!shyte.

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          #54
          I can't split them. I thought both were excellent performances.

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          • -Kev-
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            #55
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL

            If there getting ****** out during losses, that is bad.

            But if they are just getting out pointed, but are racking up fights against top amateurs. I don't regard any of this as a negative.

            It is all experience, and usually fighters grow more from a loss 'Especially in the amateurs'.

            Because the loses are not as negatively stigmatized. If you just so happen to lose, you can just fight again no problem.
            Another thing that comes into question about Crawford is times he has been hurt in his prime vs apparently “lesser” fighters/underdog like Gamboa and Kav. Coupled with his amateur woes, yes, it is a valid point to look at his entire boxing career holistically (am’s and pros).

            It can be agreed upon by many fans, that Crawford hasn’t fought the best fighters he can throughout his career. 135-140, yes, he has fought some good fighters as I have listed. Credit to him for dominating Postol, Beltran, and Porter. But there just enough of that in his resume.

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              #56
              Originally posted by -Kev-

              Another thing that comes into question about Crawford is times he has been hurt in his prime vs apparently “lesser” fighters/underdog like Gamboa and Kav. Coupled with his amateur woes, yes, it is a valid point to look at his entire boxing career holistically (am’s and pros).

              It can be agreed upon by many fans, that Crawford hasn’t fought the best fighters he can throughout his career. 135-140, yes, he has fought some good fighters as I have listed. Credit to him for dominating Postol, Beltran, and Porter. But there just enough of that in his resume.
              Spence Junior has been in bigger fights, and fought on bigger stages.

              Going over to the UK, facing and beating Brook in a tough fight. Shows he is a big championship performer.

              In basketball, what is it they call it? Clutch game. They both have a clutch game, but Spence Junior has shown greater feats in his clutch game.

              People are over looking his performance vs Danny Garcia. I did not expect him to take on such a big fight, so soon after his accident 'That was a big performance'.

              It is still a 50/50 fight for me, and I am still concerned over Spence Junior. If he finds himself in a complete war, will his body break down? Are there *****s in his Armour from his accident etc.

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                #57
                Porter sucks and played perfectly into Crawford's abilities. Not impressive at all. They only success Porter had was when Crawford was in Orthodox. As soon as he went southpaw it was all over.

                Spence just ran over a boxer/counter puncher. Way more impressive. He showed he could muscle through and just dominate with impressive volume and punches he was sitting down on hard.


                Crawford is is also a boxer counter puncher and I can see Spence running over him also. Sure Crawford will land some shots but Spence will just out pace and out land a Crawford. Crawford will breakdown in the later rounds and probably get stopped.


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                  #58
                  Originally posted by KTFOKING

                  And go back and watch how many hooks and body shots Spence landed in the 3rd round. Ugas was definitely not WAY busier, now I have no idea what you are talking about.

                  BoMac wanted Crawford to do better and dominate. That's fine, he has a job to do. But if you want to argue all that, then you can argue Crawford only lost three rounds.

                  No, I am looking at Spence's gas tank this fight compared to the Danny fight. Spence showed strong defense vs Danny? Sure, but why did he show a strong defense? Because he was able to jab the crap out of Danny and keep the fight on the outside. He could not do that against Ugas due to his high guard defense and needed to get on the inside to get his hooks over the guard and land his uppercuts. So that's why he fought a different type of fight and it was necessary to fight that way. How are you going to try to out jab a guy that uses that type of defense and covers his face? Did fighters used to out jab Winky Wright and fight him that way? You just cannot do that.

                  We can agree to disagree but he couldn't fight the same fight vs Ugas that he fought against Danny.
                  We said arguably Ugas won the 3rd. Again, it's not just about power shots. That's all you care about. There are more dimensions to fight scoring.

                  We just saw Cody Crowley get nailed repeatedly as he kept walking forward throwing. Nobody would say that he lost just because he was eating clean power shots to the body. The bottom line is, Spence was a shell of himself until Round 7. Period point blank.


                  And again, go back and watch him against Ocampo. It's not close. He's clearly declined. The only difference here is he was more aggressive, and we think that's a mistake at this age and with the damage he's had. He can't do that, he's got to use the boxing skill we know he has in order to preserve himself in wars.

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                  • KTFOKING
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Leicesterage

                    We said arguably Ugas won the 3rd. Again, it's not just about power shots. That's all you care about. There are more dimensions to fight scoring.

                    We just saw Cody Crowley get nailed repeatedly as he kept walking forward throwing. Nobody would say that he lost just because he was eating clean power shots to the body. The bottom line is, Spence was a shell of himself until Round 7. Period point blank.


                    And again, go back and watch him against Ocampo. It's not close. He's clearly declined. The only difference here is he was more aggressive, and we think that's a mistake at this age and with the damage he's had. He can't do that, he's got to use the boxing skill we know he has in order to preserve himself in wars.
                    Watch him against O'campo and do what exactly?

                    Once again, Spence HAD to be more aggressive vs Ugas. You haven't answered how he was going to just jab Ugas on the outside like he did against Danny with his high guard defense?

                    That's okay if you feel like he has declined. Not going to argue that. To me? He's still elite and very good. I don't have a pick yet for the fight myself so I agree with you saying it is 50/50.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Silence

                      I don't exaggerate anything and blame the ref. The fight was razor close and I scored for Porter. Go and take a look at posts after the fight. Good amount of fans scored for Porter. Just like they scored for Spence. You should learn to respect other opinions.
                      And as i said, he's going to ignore my statement like they always do and go into hiding. Mathematically, it's impossible for a Porter win in that fight if you didn't have him up at least 7-2 after 9 rounds. If you have him up 7-2 after 9, the best he could get was a 114-113 win. Larry Hazzard jr, an obvious corrupt judge, gave Jermall Charlo every round against Korobov except one in a fight he should have lost. and he gave porter 8 rounds. He's a complete joke. What was YOUR scorecard after 9 rounds?

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