Who Was More Impressive in Their Last Performance: Spence or Crawford?

[Brother Mouzone]

Spence .................Kenny throwing in the towel was suspect AF IMHO ..

[KTFOKING]

Ugas arguably - arguably - won Rounds 1, 3 and 6. You could easily make a case for Rounds 2 and/or 5. Spence was getting countered straight to hell and looked a shell of himself until Round 7, then later when Ugas started beating the body, it made Spence reset like we've never seen. You need to watch it back, bro.

Crawford DEFINITELY lost Rounds 1, 3, 4, 5, and 6. Go back and watch it.


It's now a 50/50. Both guys have been wobbled and their opponents cheated out of a KD. Both guys have stopped guys for the first time. Both guys look shells of themselves now.

Before fighting Ugas we would have had Spence easily decisioning Terence Crawford. The version that fought Danny Swift would have embarrassed Crawford.

But now?

It's a tossup.

Round 3 if you give Ugas, then you are giving him the round on fighting in spots and a few clean shots at the end of the round. Spence controlled majority of the round and landed more shots. If you give him that round, then you are looking to give Ugas rounds. No complaints about rounds 1 and 6, especially the latter when Ugas got to get those two shots off that sent Spence to the ropes.

Crawford DEFINITELY did not lose all those rounds. If you want to give Porter 3-4 rounds? That's possible, but 5 is pushing it.

Got it, I thought Spence was more impressive vs Ugas than he was vs Danny.

[F l i c k e r]

Held up by the ropes = counted as a knockdown. Been that way forever. This was no different - and again, we're fans of both Spence and Ugas, but that was BS. It should have called a KD. Even if it wouldn't have mattered, it's the principle. Follow the damn rules.

Not in the way Spence was. He wasn't out on his feet. He just bounced off them.

Otherwise my boy Hasegawa wouldn't have got KO'd when he was in the ropes against Montiel. cause it would've been stopped and called a knock down

[Carpe Diem]

I went back and watched Crawford-Porter, Porter definitely did well when he fought on the inside and moved forward cautiously, but like all of his fights, he always get overly aggressive and walked right into punches or smothered his own work throwing wild punches. I still slightly favor Crawford to beat Spence, but Spence will be more calculated with his inside work than Porter. It’s seems that Crawford’s main answer for inside pressure is to quickly tie-up or push off. Hopefully they’ll get a ref that will let Spence do his thing.

[KTFOKING]

His chin is mediocre at best. Ugas is poor puncher who has 40% KO ratio. His punches weren't super duper punches. He landed a mediocre punch on Spence and Spence got buzzed. Then, landed another -harder- punch and threw Spence into ropes. Spence got knocked down -because he used ropes as backing-. And, he recovered because Ugas let it.

Neither Spence nor Crawford have great chins. They ain't A Mere Con though.

Mediocre chin? If you say so. When Ugas knocked his mouthpiece out, he didn't hurt him there. It was a good shot but not that powerful of a shot. Spence started to look for his mouthpiece and got clock with two clean shots when he wasn't paying attention. Of course those shots are going to do some damage but Spence was fine shortly after. Spence has fought enough good, top fighters that if he had a mediocre chin, he would have been rocked more and dropped at some point

[Combat Talk Radio]

Not in the way Spence was. He wasn't out on his feet. He just bounced off them.

Otherwise my boy Hasegawa wouldn't have got KO'd when he was in the ropes against Montiel. cause it would've been stopped and called a knock down

The refs don't follow the rules. That's the problem. That was the problem here.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Round 3 if you give Ugas, then you are giving him the round on fighting in spots and a few clean shots at the end of the round.

No, you're not giving Ugas credit for the fact that

• Every time Spence tried to engage, he got countered
• Spence was eating shots he normally would not have including range shots
• Ugas was WAY busier
• Ugas was WAY more accurate because Spence couldn't figure out how to get past the jab at first

You're just judging power punches, NOT the totality of performance. Ugas was busier in the first half of the fight AND more accurate in at least 4 rounds, bro. Spence didn't up his aggression until at least Round 7 after he got wobbled!

Crawford DEFINITELY did not lose all those rounds. If you want to give Porter 3-4 rounds? That's possible, but 5 is pushing it.

Go back and watch it again. This time, don't watch Porter, watch BoMac. EVERY DAMN ROUND, BoMac is screaming at Crawford to stop fighting Porter's fight. It wasn't until Round 7 that Crawford switched it up. Before that Porter was sneaky avoiding the counter hooks that Crawford was trying to land.

Got it, I thought Spence was more impressive vs Ugas than he was vs Danny.

Because again, you only care about power punches and throwing. NOT the totality of performance.

Against Danny Swift, Spence showed strong defense, strong evasion, accurate punches, calm and collected performance. That's what beats Crawford. Not the wild swinging he was doing against Ugas.

[Carpe Diem]

I think Spence will follow a similar game plan like Porter did by boxing and going on the inside, but he’ll be more cautious and not as highly aggressive. Overall, I think Errol has the work rate to win the fight, but Crawford is a good counter-puncher and a great finisher and he definitely has a better chance of catching Errol early than vice versa.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Spence was a little different.

He ate a 2 piece with no mouthguard while looking away like Victor Ortiz vs Mayweather.

But never fell down, just into the ropes and battled until the break.

I still have Spence beating Crawford. I don't see Crawford fighting to see out 12 rounds like both Garcia's, nor fighting in a Joshua Clottey high guard like Ugas... while fighting to see out 12 rounds.

Crawford won't be hiding or avoiding so it's more open. We'll see a much more offensive fight between those two.

That's exactly what he did against Postol and he barely threw against Brook. He initially barely threw against Porter.

When it's a fighter he knows can catch him on the chin, he's nowhere near as aggressive.

Spence will go aggro whenever he feels like it, and apparently can't maintain focus long enough not to take his eyes off the opponent, thus getting caught clean with shots he wouldn't have 4 years ago - which is why we're leaning Crawford, because as we just saw, something's off with Spence's ability to take body shots all of a sudden.

Spence was doing everything he could to protect his right eye - the eye that was damaged. That's good...but he completely abandoned nearly all protection of the left eye, which is concerning.

Remember when Spence fought Brook - Brook was working to protect the eye that Canelo damaged and Spence attacked the other one.

That's what Crawford might do, because it's smart. And that's why what we saw against Ugas was so troubling.

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That's exactly what he did against Postol and he barely threw against Brook. He initially barely threw against Porter.

When it's a fighter he knows can catch him on the chin, he's nowhere near as aggressive.

Spence will go aggro whenever he feels like it, and apparently can't maintain focus long enough not to take his eyes off the opponent, thus getting caught clean with shots he wouldn't have 4 years ago - which is why we're leaning Crawford, because as we just saw, something's off with Spence's ability to take body shots all of a sudden.

Spence was doing everything he could to protect his right eye - the eye that was damaged. That's good...but he completely abandoned nearly all protection of the left eye, which is concerning.

Remember when Spence fought Brook - Brook was working to protect the eye that Canelo damaged and Spence attacked the other one.

That's what Crawford might do, because it's smart. And that's why what we saw against Ugas was so troubling.

There's many things that could be the reason for Spence's caution with body shots. He is 30+, he could be on his last days as a welterweight. Add that he was absolutely ripped and dry to the bone like a bodybuilder at the Arnold Classic? That could be a cause for durability issues.

He also spars a lot. Possibly too much. I don't know anything for certain but he has said the he spars a lot. Which that mouth piece moment seems like a spar culture thing to do.

He could be over sparring and those little things that are acceptable for spars are showing up in the real fights, where its dangerous like we saw vs Ugas.

But honestly, I don't see anything alarming with Spence for my pov.

He's strong, he's training well, he's staying in shape between fights. He's doing all the right things. Being a little cautious with his eye is normal given he had a detached retina not too long ago.

But we'll have to see in the next one I suppose. I do feel he's not the same killer he was pre-crash but he's a tank. He's a paladin rolling along, firing big shells that leave the top of the division (Ugas, Porter, Garcia etc.) reeling. Ugas shelled up like Clottey and was too afraid to let anything go. Speaks volumes to the pressure and weight of his punches to keep elite boxers in survival mode.

But do you really think Crawford won't open up against Spence?

I hope he doesn't do that. That would make for a fight that isn't living up to what it will be hyped to be.