Comments Thread For: Roy Jones Says Gervonta Davis Should Become Promotional Free Agent

[famicommander]

He was undefeated when Tank defeated him. Suggests that loss impacted him, right?

Who was undefeated when Tank defeated him?

Barrios? Big deal, he never faced anyone good until he faced Tank, then he lost to a completely shot Thurman next time out. He's 0-2 against fighters that were good at any point in their careers.

Again, Tank only has 3 wins against ranked opponents and only one of the three ever won a belt in their careers (Jose Pedraza).

[The Big Dunn]

Slow of fists and foot Pillow-fists Lsc is way past his prime, Cruz and Barrios are b-level “in house” fighters who casuals never heard of and neither had any notable wins to justify a high ranking or title shot. Davis was a heavy favorite against all 3…NOBODY picked any of the 3 to win. Davis did not fight Linares…too heavy- handed for Davis to risk that 0. Is Davis EVER going to fight a legit threat…top fighter. He is no longer in the early stages of his career…at least have one 50/50 fight or even 60/40 fight where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion. Davis has all the skills to go along with that power..just wont dare to be great. ANYONE picking b-level Romero? …que the crickets

Yes I meant Pedraza not linares. My bad. Casuals don’t have to hear of you for you to be a quality opponent.

Loma was the favorite in every one of his fights, including 7-1 over Teo, does that mean all them were b level? Of course not.

The outcome is never a forgone conclusion as the Teo/Loma fight and many others show.

No one is picking Rolly. No one picked Horn. No one picked Ruiz. No one picked Mayorga.

( side note Rolly has a Mayorga vibe in this fight)

Tank hasn’t fought any top LW yet. Fair criticism. How much of that is because TR and GBP are doing all in house LW fights same as Floyd?

[turnedup]

Listen, unless you have degree in law or business you have no idea wtf is even involved in being your own promoter. Even Floyd, million ppv selling Floyd needed a haymon. These fights have dollars coming in for years to come and rights you as a fighter might be leaving on the table as well as rights you might be selling as part of your purse. With all of these methods of distribution for media, no one athlete can be their own boss, co-boss yes. By himself not a chance in hell. Even if you did one fight deals with promoters you are still going to count every nickel and dime and double check triple check everything. You can’t be worried about an oppponent and how much money you might be losing because you have six meeting with sponsors to cover that last ten yards. Tank can barely finish a coherent sentence, he’d get chumped by any promoter worth his weight. Be your own boss? Ask pacquiao he lost close to ten million staging the Matthysse fight himself.

[Joe Grizzley]

Worked great for Jones, I love Roy but his opponents ******.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

I meant to say Pedraza, who was undefeated when Tank defeated him. My fault. I agree with that you posted. Think the same about Gamboa, which is why I didn’t mention him.

Tank also came down to 130 for that fight. Agree that LSC isn’t a HOF 130lber, but to suggest he is “b level” is not accurate imo.

Barrios was a top 10 opponent in Tank’s 1st fight at 140. Despite all the negative online chatter Barrios fought a great fight and forced Tank to dig deep to win.

Cruz was ranked #2 ibf behind kambosis. He showed in the fight he earned that ranking. Tank earned that win as well.

Liam Walsh was in no way a shameful washed up cherry pick when Tank fought him. Neither was Fonseca. Come on.

Thats my problem- it really looks like Tank’s opposition are forced into a narrative because posters don’t like Haymon and Floyd.

These same guys fought another LW and they wouldn’t be labeled this way.

The problem is Davis level of opposition the last few years really falls short of his skill level. Lsc is way past it, slow and feather-fisted, he took a nice payday to get ko’d like EVERYONE predicted. Barrios, Cruz, Rolly are all on the same B-level skill wise, which is why they were and are heavy underdogs. Davis actually looked bored in there at times against Barrios and Cruz. Has to be hard for him to get up for these ppv mismatches knowing he will get no praise or cred for beating them. Even the Showtime commentators have criticized his level
of competition. Davis belongs in the p4p rankings, its his level of competition holding him back.

[The Big Dunn]

The problem is Davis level of opposition the last few years really falls short of his skill level. Lsc is way past it, slow and feather-fisted, he took a nice payday to get ko’d like EVERYONE predicted. Barrios, Cruz, Rolly are all on the same B-level skill wise, which is why they were and are heavy underdogs. Davis actually looked bored in there at times against Barrios and Cruz. Has to be hard for him to get up for these ppv mismatches knowing he will get no praise or cred for beating them. Even the Showtime commentators have criticized his level
of competition. Davis belongs in the p4p rankings, its his level of competition holding him back.

ok I think saying his opposition is not equal with his skill level is fair. But that brings me back to my point about Loma/ Teo and other fights. Is fighting a 7-1 underdog fighting opposition equal to your skill level?

Yea because Tank is better than them. Every pro fights guys they are better than more often than not.

Understand my point- I’m not saying these guys are all a list, top tier. But you’re equating Barrios, LSC,Cruz and Rolly as the same type of opponent which is ridiculous given the difference in talent and experience between them and Rolly.

Rolly got ranked because haymon hooked him up. LSC, Barrios and Cruz earned their rankings through quality wins.

I agree he has the talent to be a top p4p boxer.

[gluvsup]

Worked great for Jones, I love Roy but his opponents ******.

Leaving aside the average guys, he outclassed the best in his prime, BHop and Toney, by a mile.

[famicommander]

ok I think saying his opposition is not equal with his skill level is fair. But that brings me back to my point about Loma/ Teo and other fights. Is fighting a 7-1 underdog fighting opposition equal to your skill level?

Yea because Tank is better than them. Every pro fights guys they are better than more often than not.

Understand my point- I’m not saying these guys are all a list, top tier. But you’re equating Barrios, LSC,Cruz and Rolly as the same type of opponent which is ridiculous given the difference in talent and experience between them and Rolly.

Rolly got ranked because haymon hooked him up. LSC, Barrios and Cruz earned their rankings through quality wins.

I agree he has the talent to be a top p4p boxer.

Santa Cruz earned his rankings at bantamweight, super bantamweight, and featherweight.

He was unranked at super featherweight when he fought Davis at that weight for a super featherweight and a fake lightweight title. He had one fight against an unranked opponent and then sold his belt to Tank (not that he threw the fight, he just fought someone he had no business fighting in a weight class he had no business being in) in exchange for the WBA not stripping him of his featherweight belt despite not defending it in three years.

[Joe Grizzley]

Leaving aside the average guys, he outclassed the best in his prime, BHop and Toney, by a mile.

He did, he made Toney and Hopkins look easy, nobody is dis*****g that. But there were other dangerous guys he never fought in the 93' time frame he could have gotten like Benn, Nunn, Jackson, McClellan, Collins, Liles, Eubank, etc. The UK guys would have come over if the deal was right and those were good years for those names. The only person to blame is Roy because he controlled his destiny and instead of getting the right package together, he kept it moving. This is why I think he should shut up when telling Tank to run his own career. Jones couldn't get the job done so he's not in the best position to give advice.

Richard Frazier fight was a disgrace and the rest of his run a LHW besides Harding was pretty low opposition. I'm sure there is an argument about that division lacking the names but all those fights were meh for talent. Michalczewski was around but hey, I don't want to kick down on Jones, he's like my #2 favorite fighter of all time. Just looking back, his opponents mostly ******.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

ok I think saying his opposition is not equal with his skill level is fair. But that brings me back to my point about Loma/ Teo and other fights. Is fighting a 7-1 underdog fighting opposition equal to your skill level?

Yea because Tank is better than them. Every pro fights guys they are better than more often than not.

Understand my point- I’m not saying these guys are all a list, top tier. But you’re equating Barrios, LSC,Cruz and Rolly as the same type of opponent which is ridiculous given the difference in talent and experience between them and Rolly.

Rolly got ranked because haymon hooked him up. LSC, Barrios and Cruz earned their rankings through quality wins.

I agree he has the talent to be a top p4p boxer.

Agree with the above for the most part, but wouldn’t say Barrios and Cruz earned their rankings, if so - by which “quality” wins? They earned their rankings, or in Barrios case a “bs” title from being under the Pbc/Mayweather umbrella. As we all know - rankings are manipulated to the preferences of the promoters. Rolly, Barrios, Cruz - all Hispanic fighters of course to fit the pbc formula - just didn’t so happened to get in position for a Davis fight, they were maneuvered that way.