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  • Ray*
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    #21
    At this stage of their respective careers i dont expect anyone of them to wait to see how the other does before the make a career move.

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    • Don Johnson
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      #22
      Originally posted by RRICAN
      Why wait hes gonna make a lot of dough vs cotto. makes no sense in waiting for a guy that always has an excuse to fight the top fighters
      I have to compliment that fine piece of ass in your avy man.

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      • Doctor_Tenma
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        #23
        Originally posted by 2501
        Actually, stylistically, Marquez is a harder opponent for Mayweather as opposed to Pacquiao...............if Marquez would be fighting at his weightclass.

        Floyd is a pure boxer. Pure boxers have easier times with offensive fighters rather than other pure or good boxers. This is the reason Floyd had a problem with Judah. Judah had great speed, but it was effective because he was controlled good boxer. This is the reason Marquez had problems with Casamayor. Casamayor may have been old, but he was still GREAT at boxing. Intelligence and experience stays even if the reflexes don't.

        The only reason Marquez will be easier than Pacquiao is because the physical disadvantages he will suffer against Floyd.
        Marquez and Pacquaio are not too far off in size. I don't see how Marquez could be a harder opponent, still a tough opponent. Zab isn't consistent, neither is he as mentally strong as Pacquiao. Add the fact that Pacquiao is a south paw and we can already see that Mayweather's shoulder roll won't be as affective. Like Zab, Pacquiao has the hand speed to match Floyd, one thing Pacquiao has is quick feet/ good footwork. Reason why I can't view Marquez as a harder opponent, even in P4P sense.

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        • Sin City
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          #24
          Originally posted by El Dominicano.
          Marquez and Pacquaio are not too far off in size. I don't see how Marquez could be a harder opponent, still a tough opponent. Zab isn't consistent, neither is he as mentally strong as Pacquiao. Add the fact that Pacquiao is a south paw and we can already see that Mayweather's shoulder roll won't be as affective. Like Zab, Pacquiao has the hand speed to match Floyd, one thing Pacquiao has is quick feet/ good footwork. Reason why I can't view Marquez as a harder opponent, even in P4P sense.
          why do you keep saying this? Mayweather already said he can't make 140.
          Marquez had to bulk up just to get to 135, not to mention has to bulk up for this fight as well.

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          • 2501
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            #25
            Originally posted by El Dominicano.
            Marquez and Pacquaio are not too far off in size. I don't see how Marquez could be a harder opponent, still a tough opponent. Zab isn't consistent, neither is he as mentally strong as Pacquiao. Add the fact that Pacquiao is a south paw and we can already see that Mayweather's shoulder roll won't be as affective. Like Zab, Pacquiao has the hand speed to match Floyd, one thing Pacquiao has is quick feet/ good footwork. Reason why I can't view Marquez as a harder opponent, even in P4P sense.
            Marquez and Pacquiao are not the same fighter. THEIR relative size does not indicate what their physical abilities are. Simply put, Pacquiao's genetics allow him the luxury of preforming and being effective at higher weight classes. Its that simple. This is incredibly obvious as he's shown no visible effects of the weight gain he's had in his fights above 135.

            Anyone can throw the "weight drained oscar" excuse around all they want, but the fact is Oscar wasn't a walking, slumbering zombie in the ring. He still had ability yet he was COMPLETELY, not somewhat, COMPLETELY ineffective. Pacquiao's speed and power was obviously still there when he sent Hatton back to the future.

            Now, looking at Marquez's last 2 fights, anyone would be foolish to say the same for him. He was arguably losing both fights against Casamayor and Diaz. The weight gain has slowed his footspeed, timing and reflexes.

            Its not rocket science. This is common sense that is in your face when you watch both of them fight at higher weight classes.

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            • Jone2ts
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              #26
              Originally posted by Young Mike
              It really doesn't matter because Manny will be willing to fight him next.

              But why would Manny wait for Mayweather and then have Mayweather make demands of how much he should make? The fight wasn't guaranteed it would happen. If Manny comes victorious against Cotto he has the leverage of demanding to make more than Mayweather. Mayweather needs Manny and not the other way around.
              Bull**** Manny Needs Floyd 100% more. 70/30 for letting Arum rep him or Floyd should fight Mosley and let Top Rank try to sell another fraud to the public. Cotto lost to Clottey and is a lesser P4P fighter than who Floyd tunes up on and yet Manny is getting credit for taking a hard fight? Cotto is bigger than Pac and thats it, he is being called shot mentally broken and is clearly not the same fighter as he was a few years ago. Mosley would have given Pac leverage to negotiate money, Cotto doesn't.

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              • chinoy
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                #27
                are you serious in this question?
                IF the TS main objective is to discredit Manny Pac, then you obviously FAILED

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                • Talisayen
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Jone2ts
                  Bull**** Manny Needs Floyd 100% more. 70/30 for letting Arum rep him or Floyd should fight Mosley and let Top Rank try to sell another fraud to the public. Cotto lost to Clottey and is a lesser P4P fighter than who Floyd tunes up on and yet Manny is getting credit for taking a hard fight? Cotto is bigger than Pac and thats it, he is being called shot mentally broken and is clearly not the same fighter as he was a few years ago. Mosley would have given Pac leverage to negotiate money, Cotto doesn't.
                  The split should go 90%/10% in Pacquiao's favor, less than the aforementioned split will be a disgrace to a fighter like Pacquiao fighting a bull****ter like Mayweather.

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                  • 2501
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Jone2ts
                    Bull**** Manny Needs Floyd 100% more. 70/30 for letting Arum rep him or Floyd should fight Mosley and let Top Rank try to sell another fraud to the public. Cotto lost to Clottey and is a lesser P4P fighter than who Floyd tunes up on and yet Manny is getting credit for taking a hard fight? Cotto is bigger than Pac and thats it, he is being called shot mentally broken and is clearly not the same fighter as he was a few years ago. Mosley would have given Pac leverage to negotiate money, Cotto doesn't.
                    wow...........

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                    • sikwatee
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                      #30
                      He could have wasted his time if he waited.

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