A top 8 heavyweight lost his last three!!??

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Willow The Wisp
    Undisputed Champion
    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
    • Feb 2020
    • 4440
    • 2,162
    • 3,176
    • 1,037

    #1

    A top 8 heavyweight lost his last three!!??


    https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?divisi...sex=M&offset=0

    7 of the top 25 Heavyweights at Boxrec have lost their last fight. 3 have lost their last two. And their no. 8 has lost his last 3! Is this good contender mixing, poor ratings or both?
    When was the last time a top 8 heavyweight had lost their last 3?
    1 ➡ Tyson Fury 485.9 33 31 0 1
    2 ➡ Oleksandr Usyk 428.7 35 19 0 0
    3 ➡ Anthony Joshua 253.5 32 24 2 0
    4 ➡ Deontay Wilder 210.7 36 42 2 1
    5 ➡ Dillian Whyte 170.2 34 28 2 0
    6 ➡ Joseph Parker 97.63 30 30 2 0
    7 ➡ Andy Ruiz 75.43 32 34 2 0
    8 ➡ Dereck Chisora 60.60 38 32 12 0
    9 ⬆ 1 Murat Gassiev 57.23 28 28 1 0
    10 ⬇1 Michael Hunter 57.06 33 20 1 2
    11 ➡ Luis Ortiz 51.18 42 33 2 0
    12 ➡ Joe Joyce 49.01 36 13 0 0
    13 ➡ Frank Sanchez 34.89 29 20 0 0
    14 ➡ Otto Wallin 27.41 31 23 1 0
    15 ➡ Robert Helenius 24.67 38 31 3 0
    16 ➡ Hughie Fury 23.81 27 26 3 0
    17 ➡ Martin Bakole 23.56 28 17 1 0
    18 ➡ Tony Yoka 20.92 29 11 0 0
    19 ➡ Charles Martin 20.48 35 28 3 1
    20 ➡ Agit Kabayel 19.13 29 21 0 0
    21 ➡ Adam Kownacki 19.01 32 20 2 0
    22 ➡ Daniel Dubois 17.44 24 17 1 0
    23 ➡ Efe Ajagba 16.02 27 15 1 0
    24 ➡ Carlos Takam 14.32 41 39 6 1
    25 ➡ Sergey Kuzmin 13.99 34 16 2 0
    Last edited by Willow The Wisp; 02-20-2022, 08:46 AM.
  • PBR Streetgang
    Undisputed Champion
    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
    • Nov 2016
    • 8303
    • 3,928
    • 2,162
    • 42,787

    #2
    BoxRec uses an algorithm that (I believe) factors in "strength of schedule" and all of your opponents' strength of schedules. It's a system that makes sense but one could argue with some of the results; it doesn't rate on potential, only what's actually happened. One could argue with how they weight certain factors.

    So if you are a fighter that fights good fighters who also fight good fighters, you will be ranked relatively high...even if you lose.

    A guy like Christopher Lovejoy would probably not be ranked very high.

    Comment

    • Willow The Wisp
      Undisputed Champion
      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
      • Feb 2020
      • 4440
      • 2,162
      • 3,176
      • 1,037

      #3
      Originally posted by PBR Streetgang
      BoxRec uses an algorithm that (I believe) factors in "strength of schedule" and all of your opponents' strength of schedules. It's a system that makes sense but one could argue with some of the results; it doesn't rate on potential, only what's actually happened. One could argue with how they weight certain factors.

      So if you are a fighter that fights good fighters who also fight good fighters, you will be ranked relatively high...even if you lose.

      A guy like Christopher Lovejoy would probably not be ranked very high.
      Yes, agree. Overall it's an effective algorithm that renders pretty good results, generally speaking. No doubt a strong schedule gatekeeker like Chisora is going to reap rewards for being in tough and winning rounds or moments within those losses. (Though most would agree that he simply isn't top 10 at this time). In days of old we used to see the Ring ratings go a bit overboard prognosticating for upcommer fighters, sometimes appearing ridiculous in retrospect as some of their picks would ultimately be viewed as never being near where their ratings put them. The Stanley Weston magazines were a little more conservative, sticking with proven contenders to retain their spots longer during their decent. Tougher to be edged out at World/International Boxing, KO, or even Boxing News, Boxing Illustrated, the top rankers of decades past.

      Comment

      • PBR Streetgang
        Undisputed Champion
        Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
        • Nov 2016
        • 8303
        • 3,928
        • 2,162
        • 42,787

        #4
        Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

        Yes, agree. Overall it's an effective algorithm that renders pretty good results, generally speaking. No doubt a strong schedule gatekeeker like Chisora is going to reap rewards for being in tough and winning rounds or moments within those losses. (Though most would agree that he simply isn't top 10 at this time). In days of old we used to see the Ring ratings go a bit overboard prognosticating for upcommer fighters, sometimes appearing ridiculous in retrospect as some of their picks would ultimately be viewed as never being near where their ratings put them. The Stanley Weston magazines were a little more conservative, sticking with proven contenders to retain their spots longer during their decent. Tougher to be edged out at World/International Boxing, KO, or even Boxing News, Boxing Illustrated, the top rankers of decades past.
        I used to buy the old boxing magazines back in the late 80s and 90s, but I admit I never really spent much time combing through the rankings. I just know that I'm fortunate to have a resource like BoxRec to comb through to take deep dives into the quality of a fighter resume. I have probably looked at the rankings about half a dozen times.

        One of the things that those HW rankings tell me is that for a guy like Chisora (my favorite fighter BTW) to be ranked that highly from losing; the younger guys ranked below him really need to get off their asses and start fighting quality opposition (each other).

        Comment

        • Marchegiano
          Banned
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Aug 2010
          • 12208
          • 1,790
          • 2,307
          • 165,288

          #5
          Oh, boxrec, makes it harder.

          Is there a way to search Boxrec by date ranges?

          If you go to Ring, they had a bit of a funny set up that lead to similar situations.

          For example the 24 annual is printed in 25, Quintin is rated 5th, he loses 8 in a row in 25. Not exactly the same, but, it's so old that's as close as they could get with that all paper docs and early vehicle transport technology.

          Comment

          Working...
          TOP