Why is the lightweight division so polarizing?

[GhostofDempsey]

I see it as one of the most transient weight classes. So many fighters jump in and out of the division, you never know when one of them will toss their hat in the ring and try to dominate the division. Below 135 Shakur inevitably moves up and looks like a potential threat to the division, and one that may be on a collision course with Tank, Haney or Loma. Berchelt will compete at 135 also. Kambosos shook things up with his upset over Teo, and I don't see Teo doing anything big at 140 unless Taylor relinquishes a title or gets stripped, which means he'll need to find a way to make 135 for any hopes at a title or big payday. It's a very volatile and unpredictable division with good talent in their prime.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Oh, sure. It's definitely no 4 kings here and whoever said that was foolish. I'm just saying it's never been as smooth as people portray it as being in retrospect.

A lot of the big fights haven't been being made unfortunately and that's kinda all the way around.

I don’t solely blame it on the fighters too tbf. Networks, promoters, advisors etc deserve a lot of the blame too. The social media era also magnifies things.

I’ll openly admit, I’m a bit of a dinosaur in this modern era, I don’t give a f*** how many followers you have, likes yet have, YouTube views you have and so on, but I do get that’s part of promoting yourself as a fighter. My problem with these guys is it feels like they’re far more focused on the promoting rather than the fighting and in my opinion that’s bad for the fighters, bad for the fans and bad for the sport.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

I won’t go as far to say any of them have ducked each other but they’re just always f***ing talking and never f***ing fighting. I’m just bored to death with it.

Imagine Leonard and Hearns actually arguing about who had more followers in 81. And people actually compare these kids to the four kings. The four f***ing queens maybe!

These guys are ducking, trust me. They're too comfortable with their "situations" (e.g., network deals, promoters, advisors, their own promotional company, making big money to face nobodies) and couldn't care less if true fans like it or not.

True fans know these fights take time but these guys aren't even trying to fight...it's just cute little banter and love taps through social media posts. If one guy is on a certain "side of the street," then we know what time it is.

If they can make big money fighting nobodies, them, why even bother challenging yourself? No integrity or accountability whatsoever. Those same fighters would tell fans, "Why don't you go out there and fight x, y, z, then?' Nah, fool...YOU fight them!

Look at what they're doing....putting a lot of these guys on PPV and telling us it's a legit fight. The fights aren't even selling and they STILL make these dumb fights. Again, ZERO respect for true fans of the sport.

I kinda wish we were in the old days of boxing...when most fighters were just that....fighters. They got paid just enough to get them through to the next fight. I see that a lot with Arum's fighters and it's been that way for a while. If you can fight a tomato can for 1-3 million dollars, why even bother facing a tougher guy?

Not only that, but these guys expect even bigger guarantees than they made against tomato cans, if they're ever backed into a corner and actually has to face a threat, smh. Devin come to mind. If he's making $3M to face faded fighters and prospects, then he's gonna expect waaaay more to face a Kambosos or Lomachenko. Smh

The math is backwards when the guy you're facing is more popular and accomplished, but makes less than you....but you NEED that fight to even be considered as the man in your division. Devon comes to mind again.

I can't deal with these cats, for real. Lol

[MeanestNiceGuy]

The guy who didn’t fight Haney? The guy that lost to Teo, a 7-1 underdog?

Haney probably wanted too much money and he's gonna be known for that because I don't feel it's his last time doing it. He's probably the reason Kambosos is moving on to Loma this summer. And Loma had a shoulder injury against Teo.

[The Big Dunn]

Haney probably wanted too much money and he's gonna be known for that because I don't feel it's his last time doing it. He's probably the reason Kambosos is moving on to Loma this summer. And Loma had a shoulder injury against Teo.

Stop it bro. Loma avoided the fight because haney is bigger, faster, longer reach, as if not more athletic. And is a high risk, low reward opponent.

That is why none of the other top guys including Kambosis will fight him. If you don’t like Haney, cool. But let’s stop pretending all these top guys will just walk through him.

Stop with the excuses.

[hhh1200]

3 fake undisputed fighters, Loma, Lopez and Kambo.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Stop it bro. Loma avoided the fight because haney is bigger, faster, longer reach, as if not more athletic. And is a high risk, low reward opponent.

That is why none of the other top guys including Kambosis will fight him. If you don’t like Haney, cool. But let’s stop pretending all these top guys will just walk through him.

Stop with the excuses.

Pffffff!!!

Just how many fighters have we seen in the past get labeled "high risk, low reward"? How many of those fighters named themselves a high risk, low reward? What happened when some of them stepped up or were forced into fights that actually mattered? They got humbled.

Again, the "high risk, low reward" label is typically a band-aid that lesser known fighters use to feel good about themselves when they know they don't bring anything to the table. As far as I see, Loma has fought better competition and the guys he's been matched against far outweigh the "excitement" of a Haney fight.

And Devin's big on the "race" thing and I've seen some fighters use that as an excuse when they can't get big fights that they aren't deserving of at the moment. Nobody said anybody would walk through Haney....they're just waking right past him because of his demands and delusion.

I mean seriously....who has Devin fought up to this point? Gamboa? He stunk that one up and Yuri was shot to pieces by then...and this was AFTER Tank fought him. Linares? Decent performance but he almost got dropped and/or stopped. Loma got dropped but at least he got up and stopped Linares shortly after.

You're only as good as your last fight and boy.....nooooobody's even talking about Devin's past opponents. And I love the way business works....it cuts out the delusion and sometimes brings fighters to their senses.

Devin's a non-factor in this lightweight ordeal. His best bet is to move up to 140 or fight a little more often at 135. This guys swears he's Floyd but nobody watches him or talks about him like that.

Kambosos/Lomachenko is the better fight and most know this.

[Madison Boxing]

maybe cause the top guys dont fight each other?

[The Big Dunn]

Pffffff!!!

Just how many fighters have we seen in the past get labeled "high risk, low reward"? How many of those fighters named themselves a high risk, low reward? What happened when some of them stepped up or were forced into fights that actually mattered? They got humbled.

Again, the "high risk, low reward" label is typically a band-aid that lesser known fighters use to feel good about themselves when they know they don't bring anything to the table. As far as I see, Loma has fought better competition and the guys he's been matched against far outweigh the "excitement" of a Haney fight.

And Devin's big on the "race" thing and I've seen some fighters use that as an excuse when they can't get big fights that they aren't deserving of at the moment. Nobody said anybody would walk through Haney....they're just waking right past him because of his demands and delusion.

I mean seriously....who has Devin fought up to this point? Gamboa? He stunk that one up and Yuri was shot to pieces by then...and this was AFTER Tank fought him. Linares? Decent performance but he almost got dropped and/or stopped. Loma got dropped but at least he got up and stopped Linares shortly after.

You're only as good as your last fight and boy.....nooooobody's even talking about Devin's past opponents. And I love the way business works....it cuts out the delusion and sometimes brings fighters to their senses.

Devin's a non-factor in this lightweight ordeal. His best bet is to move up to 140 or fight a little more often at 135. This guys swears he's Floyd but nobody watches him or talks about him like that.

Kambosos/Lomachenko is the better fight and most know this.

If Haney was so easy to beat why had every top LW avoided him? At some point you need to look at the actions of these guys.

You’ve seen all these top guys fight. Haney has the attributes to trouble all of them.

[ShoulderRoll]

Stop it bro. Loma avoided the fight because haney is bigger, faster, longer reach, as if not more athletic. And is a high risk, low reward opponent.

That is why none of the other top guys including Kambosis will fight him. If you don’t like Haney, cool. But let’s stop pretending all these top guys will just walk through him.

Stop with the excuses.

Lomachenko avoided the fight but it's Haney that is getting criticized and called "email champion."

It pisses me off how biased some people are.