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  • BodyBagz
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    #91
    Originally posted by Gary Coleman

    People hold Barerra, Morales and Marquez in extremely high regard.

    Floyd would dominate Marco and Eric the same, if not worse than he did Juan.
    May would dominate them so badly, no need for rematches
    And they were far from prime when Pac fought them.

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      #92
      Originally posted by BodyBagz

      May would dominate them so badly, no need for rematches
      And they were far from prime when Pac fought them.
      Yep that were at the end of their careers and they were not ATGs.

      Since Hagler Hearns and Leonard Duran, there have only been 2 ATGs Floyd and Manny and probably the next one will be Canelo, and Floyd beat both while he was over the age of 36.

      All the BS talk of prime is a joke, Floyd was prime at the lighter weights so he beat the best of his time when he was out of prime just like many of them were.

      Mayweather proved to be the best of his generation there is no argument only crying.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Boxing-1013

        I'd be fine with that argument if Floyd fans were consistent with it as far as applying it to other fighters. But they don't seem to do that.
        Whether certain fans choose to acknowledge it doesn't make it any less true or rational. Fans and detractors get into these pissing tests with no real intent in good faith dialogue.

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          #94
          Originally posted by SweetPbfAli

          Whether certain fans choose to acknowledge it doesn't make it any less true or rational. Fans and detractors get into these pissing tests with no real intent in good faith dialogue.
          It's pretty clear that almost every top fighter has built their resume, 90 or so percent of it, on how they do vs other solid fighters. Very few guys face more than 1 or 2 or maybe 3 other greats in their primes at their best weight.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Boxing-1013

            It's pretty clear that almost every top fighter has built their resume, 90 or so percent of it, on how they do vs other solid fighters. Very few guys face more than 1 or 2 or maybe 3 other greats in their primes at their best weight.
            ​​​​​​Absolutely! We are far removed from the time where matching the best versus the best was viable for all involved. Boxing isn't as mainstream as it used to be so the public pressure isn't enough to make many of the fights. I mean, it literally took 6 years to make the May - Pac fight and they were by far the biggest names in the sport.

            Unless there's an obscene amount of money to be made, it is too easy to take a path of least resistance or greater prolonged success for moderate pay against lesser opposition.

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              #96
              Originally posted by SweetPbfAli

              ​​​​​​Absolutely! We are far removed from the time where matching the best versus the best was viable for all involved. Boxing isn't as mainstream as it used to be so the public pressure isn't enough to make many of the fights. I mean, it literally took 6 years to make the May - Pac fight and they were by far the biggest names in the sport.

              Unless there's an obscene amount of money to be made, it is too easy to take a path of least resistance or greater prolonged success for moderate pay against lesser opposition.
              Yep, and all of it, for me, is why I say Ali was the greatest. His record was mixed vs top guys, but for me he fought (way) more great fighters than anyone else in history I can recall.

              3 fights vs Norton, 3 vs Frazier, Foreman, 2 vs Liston. And probably 5 or 6 more. To me no one took on the fights that Ali did, and for that reason I still call him the greatest, by a decent margin.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Roadblock

                Yep that were at the end of their careers and they were not ATGs.

                Since Hagler Hearns and Leonard Duran, there have only been 2 ATGs Floyd and Manny and probably the next one will be Canelo, and Floyd beat both while he was over the age of 36.

                All the BS talk of prime is a joke, Floyd was prime at the lighter weights so he beat the best of his time when he was out of prime just like many of them were.

                Mayweather proved to be the best of his generation there is no argument only crying.
                He was the best of a very deep generation. MFers think just because he didn't fight a couple of guys (mostly Paul W and Margarito), that he would have lost or he ducked them
                Of the 2, PW would have been the tougher fight. A caveman like Margarito beating anyone significant is a fable written by Arum and spread by his cronies.

                PW, while having size advantages, was too aggressive for his own good. Slow and uncoordinated AF Margarito was able to land at will. To imagine May doing any worse than Margarito is silly. May and Sergio are about the same size (May vs Sergio would have been awesome) and Sergio handled PW.

                People like to say triangle theories don't work.
                Which can be true. At the same time, fight fans need to follow the dots -
                May didn't fight Margarito, but did fight DLH, Maidana 2x, Cotto, Mosley, Nelo and Pac. Kept his 0.
                I don't give a single FCK about triangle theories.
                Margarito would have been another easy W where haters would have said ''May was supposed to beat him.''

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Boxing-1013

                  Yep, and all of it, for me, is why I say Ali was the greatest. His record was mixed vs top guys, but for me he fought (way) more great fighters than anyone else in history I can recall.

                  3 fights vs Norton, 3 vs Frazier, Foreman, 2 vs Liston. And probably 5 or 6 more. To me no one took on the fights that Ali did, and for that reason I still call him the greatest, by a decent margin.
                  Agreed again. Ali was a madman! Lol He fought people multiple times that most people would have not blamed him for avoiding, all while past his prime. Part crazy, part insane self belief. My father introduced me to Ali at young age and I'm forever indebted to him for it.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by BodyBagz

                    He was the best of a very deep generation. MFers think just because he didn't fight a couple of guys (mostly Paul W and Margarito), that he would have lost or he ducked them
                    Of the 2, PW would have been the tougher fight. A caveman like Margarito beating anyone significant is a fable written by Arum and spread by his cronies.

                    PW, while having size advantages, was too aggressive for his own good. Slow and uncoordinated AF Margarito was able to land at will. To imagine May doing any worse than Margarito is silly. May and Sergio are about the same size (May vs Sergio would have been awesome) and Sergio handled PW.

                    People like to say triangle theories don't work.
                    Which can be true. At the same time, fight fans need to follow the dots -
                    May didn't fight Margarito, but did fight DLH, Maidana 2x, Cotto, Mosley, Nelo and Pac. Kept his 0.
                    I don't give a single FCK about triangle theories.
                    Margarito would have been another easy W where haters would have said ''May was supposed to beat him.''
                    What else are they going to say, Floyd beat everyone and retired undefeated, so they have no losses to dog him with so they create them.

                    Its the way losers think, there is always an excuse, always an advantage, always a corrupt official, always a crippled opponent, always something other than just being too good on the night.

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                      #100
                      Originally posted by Roadblock

                      What else are they going to say, Floyd beat everyone and retired undefeated, so they have no losses to dog him with so they create them.

                      Its the way losers think, there is always an excuse, always an advantage, always a corrupt official, always a crippled opponent, always something other than just being too good on the night.
                      Their ''logic'' is -
                      ''If #3ATG can get beaten and slept multiple times by lesser fighters, so should May !''

                      This is why I say the only person May could beat that would shut the haters up is beating SRL.
                      Since that can't possibly happen, long live the hate

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