Comments Thread For: Jaron Ennis Promoter on Favoring Ennis Over Terence Crawford

[satiev1]

Ennis stops spence but loses to Bud. Of course spence will never fight either opponent.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

You the one responding to my post and you just don't want me to counter? Weird and then you deflect with all that nonsense that you are typing. We can agree to disagree. You have the blinders on and you are sounding like a fanboy that don't want to hear anything negative about your hero.

If my opinion is for Ennis to jump on him early because Crawford starts slow and his chin is not warmed up don't know why you find it such a problem.

I had to go back and see what the hell you are talking about. I honestly don't look at the name of who I'm responding to, I simply read the comments and respond if I feel the need or want to.

Looking at the post I responded from you, I literally gave a rebuttal to your comment. So crying about someone deflecting shows either your lack of comprehension or your need for attention through self create hostility.

You claimed Crawford's chin is suspect. I questioned that opinion with facts about Crawford. AGAIN, if you disagree with it, inform me on the facts I am missing, instead, you came crying about the fact I was discussing the topic of Crawford in this group with everyone. But I'm the weird one?.......

"We can agree to disagree" is literally the quote used to deflect or avoid giving you vantage point on a subject.

And let's make one thing clear. I have no "hero" in sports. The man I admire most is my grandfather for many other reasons beyond some sport. Stay in your lane and on subject child. Don't make things personal.

No where will you ever hear me claim Crawford is flawless therefore if something "negative" is said about his skill set, that is not the reason I disagree with it. I disagreed with your post because what you stated was false.

Ennis jumping on Crawford early because he's a "slow starter".......how is that negative. That's call strategy, my issue was that Crawford's chin was suspect, which at no point in his career has it ever showed evidence of being suspect otherwise we'd have footage of him receiving 8 counts on multiple occasions. Instead their are ZERO. The Gamboa & Kavaliauskas shots that wobbled him is apart of the sport and they came about with Crawford being open while attacking. That's a flaw he showcases at times in his fights and those 2 fighters was able to capitalize on it, but it was null and void because the result of their success is that they were dropped repeatedly and ultimately stopped.

Again.....lets stick to the facts. If those 2 instances are evidence that Crawford's chin is suspect, then what about Floyd Mayweather's chin.....he's been rocked a few times in his career as well. Twice vs Judah, also vs Maidana just to point out examples. What about Porter who's been dropped 4x in his career, one of them by Adrien Broner who is not known for his power one bit. Porter was also dropped twice by Ugas though both were ruled slips. But no one utters that his chin is suspect.....Why is that?

Again, please give me FACTS that serve as your source for you opinion about Crawford's chin. What has happened to Crawford that makes you feel his chin is any weaker than Ali, Mayweather, Floyd, Sugar, Hearns, Duran, Porter, Thurman, Wilder, Fury, Haney, or literally any other world class boxer who's ever taken a clean shot and have to gather themselves to finish the fight.......I'll wait......

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

Crawford doesn't draw. It's not about anything else. It's not personal. This is business.

True Crawford's PPV numbers are disturbing but explain to me how can a top p4p fighter who's accomplished all I've point out in the post you responded to as well as every fighter he's faced since 2014 has had to pick themselves up off the canvas at least one and only 3 have made it all 12 rounds. How can a fighter like that not be a draw.

Let's not act like it is his character, because Tommy Hearns wasn't a clown for the media. Neither was Marvin Hagler. Even today....GGG doesn't go out his way to market himself, yet American fans support his as much as his homeland.....and their are many examples I can name.

Crawford's marketability is the job of the individual who's taking a percentage of his income to be his PROMOTER.......How the hell is that rocket science for some people. Do you honestly think that Crawford wouldn't be a bigger start had he been with PBC the last 5/6 years? Or even with Eddie Hearn? Floyd Mayweather? De La Hoya?

But even before all that. Let's stop ignoring that Crawford came to the division after becoming the Undisputed champion at 140 in 2017.....Spence hadn't scored his first PPV ticket until fighting Mikey Garcia in 2019. The attempt to try and put the Brook/Spence fight on PPV was shot down because they quoted Spence wasn't a big enough draw. American fans wasn't going to tune in to see Spence who wasn't a household name fight a foreign fighter who none of them knew without a google search. Crawford wanted him or Thurman or the winner of Danny/Porter.....he didn't vacate 4 world titles to face Benavidez, Kavaliauskas, Khan, or Brook......he said he wanted the champs. The "numbers" talk didn't get pushed until after the Mikey fight after Crawford had already did what Spence claimed Crawford needed to do before he would consider a bout.......Prove he can compete at 147 & win a title........All of a sudden the "side of the street" talk came and then knocking him for Bob Arum putting him on PPV with some individuals American boxing fans can careless about.

Also, let's not act like Spence is some huge PPV star......350K/300K/250K PPV buys is not crazy numbers. Canelo doing 900K or 1M PPV buys is worthy of beating your chest about, because regardless of the fact he's fighting guys that most American fans don't follow, he still gets them in the seats.

Spence and Crawford has been the biggest ticket in boxing for a while now. If it's all about business, you can't tell me that the 2 of them being marketed in a fight won't shoot them closer to a Canelo fight numbers. Unless a person was a fan of Wilder, no one cared about the Fury/Wilder fight and it still got them over half a million I believe.

[Gary Coleman]

Also, let's not act like Spence is some huge PPV star......350K/300K/250K PPV buys is not crazy numbers. Canelo doing 900K or 1M PPV buys is worthy of beating your chest about, because regardless of the fact he's fighting guys that most American fans don't follow, he still gets them in the seats.

No matter how much people try to downplay Spence's numbers, they still tower over Crawford's. It's not even close.

[champion4ever]

There's no way in the world that a Jaron 'Boots' Ennis defeats a prime Terence Crawford. Perhaps in another three to four years or so he would but just not right now.. However, the point is moot because Bud is never fighting him anyhow because he's too high risk and low reward.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

No matter how much people try to downplay Spence's numbers, they still tower over Crawford's. It's not even close.

You must hate to read because your comprehension is pathetically lacking. I stated that already. Crawford's former promoter tried to make American fans pay for Crawford to beat down a foreign fighter than most of them had to google to see who he was. On top of that, he didn't even advertise the fight until maybe a week or so prior to fight night. Thus the reason Crawford was willing to part ways as soon as he legally fulfilled his agreement per contract.

But the point is, Spence's numbers have nothing to do with his ability to make the fight. There's nothing to downplay. He has better numbers than Crawford.......good for him, he gets a cookie.......but there isn't a single fight that he can make that's going to give him a better attendance than a fight vs Crawford in the division period. It is the single most demanded fight in the sport and regardless of previous PPV failures/successes, it will do crazy numbers in the states because IT'S THE FIGHT THE PEOPLE WANT. Crawford and Spence are both top 5 p4p fighters in the SAME DIVISION with both IN THEIR PRIME. Yet, for 4 years Bob has been low balling fighters so they refused to get in the ring with Crawford and Spence has been busy taking what he called the "easy route" to his greatness.

The bull**** excuses need to stop. You have a 6x world titlist across 3 division who holds a title in this division saying point blank that he wants to unify all the belts in this division. Spence stated that he wanted to do exactly the same thing shortly after winning his first title off Kell Brook. Even called for the winner of the Horn/Corcoran fight for the WBO strap.... But then all of a sudden when Crawford gets the belt first, the "politics" of the sport become the barrier and the "undisputed" mission is put on the back burner.

Let's not forget, Spence wouldn't fight Keith Thurman either, but was willing to fight 2 individuals who lost to Thurman (Porter and Danny).....then has been trying to fight someone who lost to Porter as well (Ugas). What's the excuse there. Keith Thurman does as well on PPV numbers as Spence does.

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

There's no way in the world that a Jaron 'Boots' Ennis defeats a prime Terence Crawford. Perhaps in another three to four years or so he would but just not right now.. However, the point is moot because Bud is never fighting him anyhow because he's too high risk and low reward.

Boots is only talked about because he mentions Crawford & Spence after beating on unranked welterweights and washed up 140 lb fighters trying to go up in weight. Ennis and his camp act like that family member who comes to the cookout with plastic cups and aluminum foil but has the nerve to claim no one in the family can cook better than him. He's done nothing to deserve a title shot.....PERIOD. All the crap about being avoided is nothing more than a strategic way of trying to get the fans to demand he get in the ring with the champs rather than just fighting the other ranked welterweights trying to do the same thing to prove he's better than them.

[Gary Coleman]

You must hate to read because your comprehension is pathetically lacking. I stated that already. Crawford's former promoter tried to make American fans pay for Crawford to beat down a foreign fighter than most of them had to google to see who he was. On top of that, he didn't even advertise the fight until maybe a week or so prior to fight night. Thus the reason Crawford was willing to part ways as soon as he legally fulfilled his agreement per contract.

But the point is, Spence's numbers have nothing to do with his ability to make the fight. There's nothing to downplay. He has better numbers than Crawford.......good for him, he gets a cookie.......but there isn't a single fight that he can make that's going to give him a better attendance than a fight vs Crawford in the division period. It is the single most demanded fight in the sport and regardless of previous PPV failures/successes, it will do crazy numbers in the states because IT'S THE FIGHT THE PEOPLE WANT. Crawford and Spence are both top 5 p4p fighters in the SAME DIVISION with both IN THEIR PRIME. Yet, for 4 years Bob has been low balling fighters so they refused to get in the ring with Crawford and Spence has been busy taking what he called the "easy route" to his greatness.

The bull**** excuses need to stop. You have a 6x world titlist across 3 division who holds a title in this division saying point blank that he wants to unify all the belts in this division. Spence stated that he wanted to do exactly the same thing shortly after winning his first title off Kell Brook. Even called for the winner of the Horn/Corcoran fight for the WBO strap.... But then all of a sudden when Crawford gets the belt first, the "politics" of the sport become the barrier and the "undisputed" mission is put on the back burner.

Let's not forget, Spence wouldn't fight Keith Thurman either, but was willing to fight 2 individuals who lost to Thurman (Porter and Danny).....then has been trying to fight someone who lost to Porter as well (Ugas). What's the excuse there. Keith Thurman does as well on PPV numbers as Spence does.

So now we're re-writing history. Spence wouldnt fight Thurman? Are you serious?

You can blame whoever you want, come up with as many excuses as you'd like, the fact remains. Crawford doesn't sell. He wants more than he's worth and that stalls fights. If it were any other fighter doing this, they'd call it ducking.

[buddyr]

Crawford won't fight this young gun, I'm not sure if Ennis has earned it yet, let's see him fight Thurman, see if he sends Thurman to splattsville

There are currently 8 goddamn undefeated fighter in the ring's top 10 welterweight. EIGHT!!!!! How in the FU$K is damn near the whole top 10 of a division undefeated?? That means no one is fighting each other so all of this "hasn't earned it yet" stuff gotta stop. EIGHT FIGHTERS!!!

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

So now we're re-writing history. Spence wouldnt fight Thurman? Are you serious?

You can blame whoever you want, come up with as many excuses as you'd like, the fact remains. Crawford doesn't sell. He wants more than he's worth and that stalls fights. If it were any other fighter doing this, they'd call it ducking.

There's no re-writing here. Spence openly said that he wasn't going to entertain a negotiation with a unification bout vs Thurman. Maybe it was a personal thing with him since Thurman brushed him off many times when he was an up and comer, but fact is, Thurman called out Spence WHEN HE HAD A TITLE with interest in a unification bout. Spence looked the other way.

And regardless if you want to admit it or not, PROMOTERS are paid to PROMOTE. How the hell do you blame a FIGHTER for his promoter not being able to make him the biggest name in the sport.....This is a man who is a 6x world champ across 3 divisions. 2x Lineal champion, 2x Fighter of the Year. ESPY Award Winner. Has stopped every opponent he's faced since 2015. He has victories over 11 world champions. That's his resume. **** that he has accomplished in the ring.........How the hell can you not market a fighter who has accomplish that much in the ring.......

Wilder has 40+ fights and has only fought 2 world champions with a victory over just one of them. Does Crawford need to go around misquoting Bible verses and claiming his opponents are cheaters? Or maybe he needs to be like Spence and get pissy drunk on a Tuesday evening and speed down a blvd in his fastest vehicle. Maybe he needs to be like Mike Tyson/Floyd Mayweather and do some time for his abuse to some random woman.

Who TF are you to tell a fighter that puts his life on the line and does as well as he does, that he doesn't deserve the money contracted to him. He's not asking for outrageous money. He's demanding to be paid in full because HE DOES HIS JOB SO WELL.