Tyson Fury vs Prime Joe Louis

[Ascended]

Sounds like a more educated forum to me.

Joe's very efficient and Fury's very much not. So I say Joe.

Boxing doesn't evolve based on effectiveness. It literally never has and never will. Boxing evolved based on rules and that is a two lane highway. Louis is a bit ****ed by the 12 round limit and Fury's a bit ****ed by a 15 round limit. Both of these men are well ****ed by a limitless fight. Anyone who says otherwise speaks to large periods of time in boxing but doesn't actually know much history. Challenge me and see if I don't bury this idea in information. Boxing does not evolve based on effectiveness. We do not write rules based around who is beating up who and how to make that more fair, never did. Rules were made for sales and sales alone. Sales is what drives techniques and styles, not effectiveness.

Everyone knows the bare knuckle era featured no time limits, a wealth of KO boxing, and little in defense. Everyone knows today boxing, as a technique not a sport, goes hand-in-hand with the sport boxing, to the point we use the same ****ing word.

When did boxing defeat punching on such a large scale punchers started to take up boxing? Never is the answer.

What happened? Daniel The *** Mendoza made a ****load of money and "the fancy" or the money men of the early days recognized with some rule changes they could get a bigger audience, fighter's careers would last longer, and everyone would make more money.



So, yeah, not arguing that you're looking at the same techniques on displayed, you are not, but what you call evolution is a bit misnomer or at least misleading. We didn't get here by paying attention to the winners. We got here by watching wallets.


Which means Fury in a 15 rounder is just as ****ed as Louis in a 12, especially against a smaller man who is crazy energy efficient.



Finally though, Louis has way, way, more chin and plenty more power. Fury has yet to plaster anyone to the canvas. Knocking Wilder out onto his knees is cool and all. See how my man Rocky leaves a ****ing corpse behind? That is power son, unadulterated and pure. Old man Joe walked through a wealth of Marciano. I don't think Fury, even mauler learned how to throw a punch Fury, can actually hurt a prime Louis.

Stop trolling you crazy dummy joe loses he wouldn't land idiot watch the matches

you trolls need to stop joe was a lw basic and stiff

We had vids for years why you dummies still say this dumb stuff is odd

You can't make joe better then he was on video dummy

[Marchegiano]

Stop trolling you crazy dummy joe loses he wouldn't land idiot watch the matches

you trolls need to stop joe was a lw basic and stiff

We had vids for years why you dummies still say this dumb stuff is odd

You can't make joe better then he was on video dummy

Yes, well thought out counter point there buddy

Get yer ass on YT where I know the clip exists, go find me Rocky Marciano throwing his phantom overhead in the Joe Louis fight and post it here.

Oh ya don't know what a phantom overhead is do you? Do not post a ****ing overhand son, it's not an overhand.

So given you have film but **** all knowledge about what you are watching maybe your opinion is worthless and your trolling is so weak I can counter totally void of ad homs and get the same effect? Seems to be the case from this seat.

[Ascended]

Yes, well thought out counter point there buddy

Get yer ass on YT where I know the clip exists, go find me Rocky Marciano throwing his phantom overhead in the Joe Louis fight and post it here.

Oh ya don't know what a phantom overhead is do you? Do not post a ****ing overhand son, it's not an overhand.

So given you have film but **** all knowledge about what you are watching maybe your opinion is worthless and your trolling is so weak I can counter totally void of ad homs and get the same effect? Seems to be the case from this seat.

Counter my point then show me a match where joe uses mutiple angles of punching while moving like people like bowe Frazier not the same way but as smoothly and using angles of upper and lowerbody movement

Steve you know the man you people like to say like he was a bum yet he moved good and had skill

Holmes

show me a match where joe used as many angles while moving and using lateral movemenotes these men and not looking stiff or slow since you crazy dummies like to pretend he moved liked these men

I can prove all these fighters by fact by vids and its not opinion you crazy dummy everything I said is fact

Prove the vid show the vid i can watch where he had good upperbody movement and using lateral like I said or just stop pretending since you have no vid proof since he never did

You won't show vid cause it doesn't exist and you know it doesn't you crazy dummy you exposed yourself

Joe loses fast to not only fury but mutiple others

[Marchegiano]

Counter my point then show me a match where joe uses mutiple angles of punching while moving like people like bowe Frazier not the same way but as smoothly and using angles of upper and lowerbody movement

Steve you know the man you people like to say like he was a bum yet he moved good and had skill

Holmes

show me a match where joe used as many angles while moving and using lateral movemenotes these men and not looking stiff or slow since you crazy dummies like to pretend he moved liked these men

I can prove all these fighters by fact by vids and its not opinion you crazy dummy everything I said is fact

Prove the vid show the vid i can watch where he had good upperbody movement and using lateral like I said or just stop pretending since you have no vid proof since he never did

You won't show vid cause it doesn't exist and you know it doesn't you crazy dummy you exposed yourself

Joe loses fast to not only fury but mutiple others

Counter your point? Your point is a counter of mine that doesn't even address what I said though. I'll give you credit for making a play to take control of the narrative between us but I think you might ought to read the first post you quoted and retool before you get on a high horse. I don't need a counter. I could just repost my original at you until you read it and post something that makes sense in the context of it.



You want to see as much movement from a 15 round fighter as you see in 12 round fighters.....as a counter point to what I said? Let me break this down is shorter phrases then.



Marchegiano the Wizard of La Mancha says fighters change styles with rules

moneyman the unknown 2020 debutant says but oldens ****** and we know because film

Marchegiano, being a wizard, knows all things and asks but do you know the techniques you judge

moneyman the unknower unknown counters with show me Joe Louis doing something more conducive to a 12 round fight in the 15 round era.


Alright I'll stop being a **** and cut it straight here, bold and underlined so you're not missing it: I don't understand why you think that is a counter to my point instead of an anecdote that fits comfortably within the parameters of the point I made.

Yes, I agree Fury smokes Joe on an angles contest, at least probably. Joe smokes Fury on efficiency. 12 rounder vs 15 rounder. What I don't agree with is the idea this is a counter to my point. It isn't.

[Ascended]

Counter your point? Your point is a counter of mine that doesn't even address what I said though. I'll give you credit for making a play to take control of the narrative between us but I think you might ought to read the first post you quoted and retool before you get on a high horse. I don't need a counter. I could just repost my original at you until you read it and post something that makes sense in the context of it.



You want to see as much movement from a 15 round fighter as you see in 12 round fighters.....as a counter point to what I said? Let me break this down is shorter phrases then.



Marchegiano the Wizard of La Mancha says fighters change styles with rules

moneyman the unknown 2020 debutant says but oldens ****** and we know because film

Marchegiano, being a wizard, knows all things and asks but do you know the techniques you judge

moneyman the unknower unknown counters with show me Joe Louis doing something more conducive to a 12 round fight in the 15 round era.


Alright I'll stop being a **** and cut it straight here, bold and underlined so you're not missing it: I don't understand why you think that is a counter to my point instead of an anecdote that fits comfortably within the parameters of the point I made.

Yes, I agree Fury smokes Joe on an angles contest, at least probably. Joe smokes Fury on efficiency. 12 rounder vs 15 rounder. What I don't agree with is the idea this is a counter to my point. It isn't.

Stop trolling dummy vid proves im right you have no vid of joe moving as good as fury and fury ends him fast this is a big mismatch no reason to troll acting like it would be a even match

[QueensburyRules]

Personally I think boxing has way evolved since Louis's time but I saw this question asked on a different forum and surprisingly many users were picking Louis to KO Fury.

So what do you guys think?

- - Flubber Fury has devolved into a half monkey BigFoot.

Flubber ducks Louis just like he ducked the Wlad rematch and at least twice vs AJ. Put Joe on Flubber steroids he used for Wlad, and Flubber flies intercontinental to land in Timbuktu where he becomes a zoo bonanza attraction.

[Marchegiano]

Stop trolling dummy vid proves im right you have no vid of joe moving as good as fury and fury ends him fast this is a big mismatch no reason to troll acting like it would be a even match

That **** is from the 15th and you still ain't figured out a half decent response?

Probably shouldn't quote me, ya ain't clever enough for it.

[TMLT87]

I think Joe was too far back on the timeline to stand much of a chance against Fury. Its not a skill issue, its a physical attributes issue.

[low blows]

What was Joe Louis's maximum weight,180 or 190 lbs? Louis couldn't even compete as a modern heavyweight and people want to size him up with Tyson Fury who stands 6 ft 9 inches and weighs 280 lbs tops. That is straight up r e t a r d e d!

Louis has no shot whatsoever.

Louis was schooled for 12 rounds by a modern super middleweight in Billy Conn, what would Fury do to him. Now you feed Joe Louis let take legal and illegal supplements then the fight could be competitive but a prime cruiserweight would get destroyed by Fury.

[Ascended]

I think Joe was too far back on the timeline to stand much of a chance against Fury. Its not a skill issue, its a physical attributes issue.

No its a skill and movement issue why would you say that lie stop trying to be nice and say the truth we have video joe wouldnt land a shot