So it looks like AJ is going to try and outbox Usyk again

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  • tophat1
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    #21
    Surely Joshua is just playing mind games and he's going to go for broke this time

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      #22
      Originally posted by 4truth
      Joshua CAN outbox Usyk. Joshua, on a full tank, can win any rounds he chooses to win. I think his point is that he needs to do just enough in 7 rounds to win those rounds and do it efficiently enough that he’s not dead on his feet going into the championship rounds.

      I don’t see another way and maybe he doesn’t either.
      No way he can outbox a boxer like Usyk who is leagues above him in skills that it’s not even funny. Perhaps you mean outwork Usyk, a tall task there too but the only way I see him banking in rounds.

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      • Kris Silver
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        #23
        He's gone a bit too hard on his philosophical stuff AJ. He does need to get the dog back in him. Plenty have said that and it's not so clear if he really does get it or will genuinely live and breathe a different approach, come fight night.

        He needs months under a different trainer, getting bits here there and everywhere is showing in his performances, they are pedestrian and conflicted. He doesn't believe the approach. Tbh who can blame him when Rob McCracken was just saying keep doing what you doing, get behind the jab, when he was several rounds down.

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        • Nash out
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          #24
          Joshua's only chance is to bring the heat early. Balls to the wall. That being said, I still think Usyk would fry him up, but Joshua has zero chance of winning on points. Nash out.

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            #25
            Originally posted by denium


            Wrong decision imo, Joshua got outboxed and schooled by Usyk who was only operating at 70%. AJ needs to come out aggressive and knock Usyk out if he wants to win the rematch.
            If Joshua used his size and jab like Klitzchco. He would EASILY whip Usyk. Ask Chris Byrd.

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              AJ has major stamina issues and cannot move well enough to outbox Usyk... There is one caveat to this issue: AJ can bank early rounds while Usyk settles in, if he can do this for a few rounds and neutralize him for a few more rounds, he is heading into a situation where he can afford to lose a few rounds trying to go after Usyk... If I were training AJ I would have him primed to go hard for 4 middle rounds. Start early jabbing and winning early rounds, then balls to the wall... Thats his chance. After that Usyk will figure him out and win the later rounds in the fight. Assuming AJ cannot KO him, which I doubt is happening.

              Lets all remember something: Championship fights at 15 rounds show us a lot because the puncher needs more rounds to win. A puncher wins fights when he has more chances of connecting with a big punch, a boxer wins fights preventing the puncher from connecting and winning rounds. Tunney versus Dempsey tells us a bit about this match up when two great fighters of the two schools are matched FOR 15 ROUNDS! Usyk is an incredible cruiser/light heavy, whom, like Tunney, can beat the best heavyweights as well... Joshua is no Dempsey, has less rounds to work, has stamina issues, etc...
              Last edited by billeau2; 01-06-2022, 03:30 PM.

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              • just the facts
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                #27
                Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                - - U plugged up stoppage blown U up like a balloon ready to be released kamikaze style at the weighin...
                Does anyone know wtf this idiot is trying to say?

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by billeau2
                  AJ has major stamina issues and cannot move well enough to outbox Usyk... There is one caveat to this issue: AJ can bank early rounds while Usyk settles in, if he can do this for a few rounds and neutralize him for a few more rounds, he is heading into a situation where he can afford to lose a few rounds trying to go after Usyk... If I were training AJ I would have him primed to go hard for 4 middle rounds. Start early jabbing and winning early rounds, then balls to the wall... Thats his chance. After that Usyk will figure him out and win the later rounds in the fight. Assuming AJ cannot KO him, which I doubt is happening.

                  Lets all remember something: Championship fights at 15 rounds show us a lot because the puncher needs more rounds to win. A puncher wins fights when he has more chances of connecting with a big punch, a boxer wins fights preventing the puncher from connecting and winning rounds. Tunney versus Dempsey tells us a bit about this match up when two great fighters of the two schools are matched FOR 15 ROUNDS! Usyk is an incredible cruiser/light heavy, whom, like Tunney, can beat the best heavyweights as well... Joshua is no Dempsey, has less rounds to work, has stamina issues, etc...

                  AJ didn't have stamina issues in the Ruiz fight. In fact, he fought on the backfoot and never gassed. Fought a Lomachenka, pitty-pat type fight with Usyk which was all wrong. Calculated aggression, perfect catching shots with the gloves, and hit Usyk to the body excessively for the 1st 4-5 rounds. Multiple the 6th round of the first fight which he had Usyk seriously hurt by 6. That leaves one swing round in debate. AJ 7-5 SD in the rematch. Y'all running around like Usyk is some God but I notice this kind of commentary when it comes to Eastern European fighters.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by just the facts

                    Does anyone know wtf this idiot is trying to say?
                    Many have asked this question... He will make a lot more sense if you down a fifth or so, pop a Codeine, or few...

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by hhh1200


                      AJ didn't have stamina issues in the Ruiz fight. In fact, he fought on the backfoot and never gassed. Fought a Lomachenka, pitty-pat type fight with Usyk which was all wrong. Calculated aggression, perfect catching shots with the gloves, and hit Usyk to the body excessively for the 1st 4-5 rounds. Multiple the 6th round of the first fight which he had Usyk seriously hurt by 6. That leaves one swing round in debate. AJ 7-5 SD in the rematch. Y'all running around like Usyk is some God but I notice this kind of commentary when it comes to Eastern European fighters.
                      Yeah but fighting off the back foot does not suffice in all situations. Ruiz was slow that fight, and alwys had slow feet. Usyk presses and it benefits Usyk to keep Aj on his back foot and unbalanced.

                      AJ like most modern heavies has no concept of how to go to the body... Yes if he did this would help immeasurably. Saying Usyk was seriously hurt is a stretch. Saying Aj had periods of success, is a reasonable and imo correct observation.

                      Usyk is very very good... ill give you an analogy for my feelings about Usyk and Lomo (for what it is worth lol). Vitalie is Usyk: just better mentally and stronger as a fighter, even if punching technique does not look as clean as Vlad... Vlad would be Lomo... looks technically excellent (only as a puncher!) but has other flaws psychologically, absent in Vitalie. Lomo will always be vulnerable to excellent, strong, tough fighters like Lopez, but Usyk is physically strong and psychologically in beast mode perpetually. People often neglect this aspect of Usyk: at his best he is a very physical fighter... watch his fight against Hunter for example... So AJ may be bigger but when it comes to being a physical fighter, Usyk might be more of a match to AJ than the weight difference would suggest... Again, much like Tunney was as physically tough when necessary, against Dempsy.

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