Comments Thread For: Chisora's Trainer Rejects The Idea of Fighting Deontay Wilder

[famicommander]

Chisora got much better resume and fought better fighters so has got experience. So I don't know who's win. There's a case for either

Chisora is literally 0-12 at the world level. The outcome is not in doubt at all. Wilder would obliterate him.

[BangEM]

Even Dave Coldwell believes the fake Wilder power nonsense. Now I see why he has no boxers under him, lol.

Del Boy does what Del Boy wants and Dave is gonna be sacked again soon. Del Boy will fight Wilder and get him out of there in 3rds.

[MONGOOSE66]

Dave Coldwell, the trainer of heavyweight contender Derek Chisora, says there is no way he would be on board with his fighter taking part in a contest with former WBC world champion Deontay Wilder.
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I wouldn’t want to put Chisorrhea in there with Wilder either if it was up to my FUTURE either.

[hhh1200]

As crappy as people make Wilder out to be, he still dropped Fury 4 times and caught him at least 6 times with shots right on the button and Fury ate them. I'm going with punch resistance. I have seen nothing that tells me Usyk has Fury's punch resistance. Usyk gets hit, no matter how the Eastern Euro fantasy is running wild right now, goes does down or has issues recovering like most Wilder opponents.

[P to the J]

I think Wilder's power was for real, pre- Tyson Fury II 'He was powerful, but in a limited range' i.e Wilder's power did not have the range and variation of Mike Tyson' s power. Tyson knocked out Francis Botha, with a punch which traveled only a few inches 'Bad intentions with every single punch'.

Since Wilder seemingly increased his weight, the correlation has not really translated into more punching power.

It almost appears as if, his power decreased. But we will not really know until? Wilder fights some of these other top fighters, or Tyson Fury fights some of these other top fighters.

I don't really class Kronk Fury as peak Fury, he is all over the place 'Clumsy, and I think his endurance is overrated'.

This is the only reason why now his fights are appearing more dramatic, and chaotic 'His regression as a fighter'.

You’ve said this before about Kronk Fury. I’m inclined to agree but think that he’ll probably mow down most of the HW division fighting like this, if he so chooses (they’re no great shakes).

Wilder’s an interesting case re: his power. The one punch KOs he scored against Ortiz and Breazeale make me think he’d been working overtime on the straight right, because most of his title defence stoppages were ruled TKO by windmill.

But if you’re wondering why extra weight doesn’t necessarily mean more punching power, then I suggest he might have lost a modicum of speed required to generate that kind of strength? Or maybe he’s just getting older and declining? Or Fury’s just preternaturally hard-headed

[P to the J]

As crappy as people make Wilder out to be, he still dropped Fury 4 times and caught him at least 6 times with shots right on the button and Fury ate them. I'm going with punch resistance. I have seen nothing that tells me Usyk has Fury's punch resistance. Usyk gets hit, no matter how the Eastern Euro fantasy is running wild right now, goes does down or has issues recovering like most Wilder opponents.

You might be right on Fury’s punch resistance, but I’d be concerned about him getting put down 4 times by a guy who is generally considered a woeful boxer. Admittedly, as much I drag Wilder, I thought the way he set up each KD was beautiful in contrast with the rest of each fight.

I think the point of my concern is that Usyk is a proper boxer, and punches from angles Wilder doesn’t know exist. Hell, he punches from angles Pythagorean didn’t know existed.

I’m wondering, if Wilder can tag Fury, how often can Usyk? Also, considering how Usyk moves, how often can Fury tag him?

I don’t think Usyk’s punch resistance will get much of a test, because Fury will have to catch him, whereas I think Fury’s stamina, defence and footwork is going to be tested like it has never been.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You’ve said this before about Kronk Fury. I’m inclined to agree but think that he’ll probably mow down most of the HW division fighting like this, if he so chooses (they’re no great shakes).

Wilder’s an interesting case re: his power. The one punch KOs he scored against Ortiz and Breazeale make me think he’d been working overtime on the straight right, because most of his title defence stoppages were ruled TKO by windmill.

But if you’re wondering why extra weight doesn’t necessarily mean more punching power, then I suggest he might have lost a modicum of speed required to generate that kind of strength? Or maybe he’s just getting older and declining? Or Fury’s just preternaturally hard-headed

Well yes, I will tend to keep repeating my points here and there in discussions.

People have not quite understood that Kronk Fury, is not peak Fury 'Some have, but a lot seem to think Fury is fighting this way because it was the best thing for him to do'.

I agree, he will most likely beat most heavyweights even as Kronk Fury. But I don't think he will find the fights easy.

I think Tyson Fury will beat Dillian Whyte, but he may be ****** about in the process.

[hugh grant]

Chisora is literally 0-12 at the world level. The outcome is not in doubt at all. Wilder would obliterate him.

Yeh, actually wilder would have good chance. He still needs just one punch and chooses too easy to hit. But chisora would be all over him and wilder can't fight on back foot so maybe chisorahas a chance. But then again, wilder needs one punch
So I go back and forth with scenarios. But ye's wilder most likely wins

[P to the J]

Well yes, I will tend to keep repeating my points here and there in discussions.

People have not quite understood that Kronk Fury, is not peak Fury 'Some have, but a lot seem to think Fury is fighting this way because it was the best thing for him to do'.

I agree, he will most likely beat most heavyweights even as Kronk Fury. But I don't think he will find the fights easy.

I think Tyson Fury will beat Dillian Whyte, but he may be ****** about in the process.

I don’t get me wrong, I think you absolutely should bring it up again, because it’s not getting said a lot by anyone else.

It’s a fascinating argument, and I think you’ll be prove to be right. The man was slipping and sliding like a MF before Wilder 2, but he got spooked by Wallin, big time.

I think he sees this fighting style of smothering up close as a more efficient way to hit and not get hit, but I’d argue it will only work if your conditioning is high (had only 6 weeks training for Wilder 3 and get tagged multiple times). I also think an expert boxer does him with this style.

Whyte is not an expert boxer by any means, but we’re agreed, he’ll definitely tag him and hurt Fury at some point. But overall, genuinely don’t think that’s a fight with as many punches fired off. Hug off