Comments Thread For: Atlas: Joshua Accepts Defeat Too Easily, Like a Guy That Made Too Much Money

[Walexhris]

A.J is A.J.......& that's the reason why & I respect that, after all, it ain't my legacy, it's his

[mjh1969]

He just seems like a "forced" boxer and not a "born" boxer if you know what I mean

I couldn't agree with you more. A lot of guys aren't born boxers but because of their surroundings that have that killer instinct like Wilder, Tyson, Fury, Toney, Foreman, etc. Joshua to me is too much of a gentleman, scholarly and diplomatic as a person to have that fight in him. He just doesn't want to be in a dogfight like an Evander Holyfield type of way. Sometimes as a champion you just got to be in a dogfight.

[i love boxing]

I couldn't agree with you more. A lot of guys aren't born boxers but because of their surroundings that have that killer instinct like Wilder, Tyson, Fury, Toney, Foreman, etc. Joshua to me is too much of a gentleman, scholarly and diplomatic as a person to have that fight in him. He just doesn't want to be in a dogfight like an Evander Holyfield type of way. Sometimes as a champion you just got to be in a dogfight.

Yes even a defensive fighter like Floyd was not afraid to mix it up when he had to, Joshua simply is not capable of it.

[The D3vil]

Eh, you are who you are.

Joshua just is more Frank Bruno than Lennox Lewis.

Always was.

We tried to tell the AJ groupies that 4 or 5 years ago, but here we are.

[M111]

In the moment of the loss, Joshua does accept the situation far too easily. But in the long term he does not disappear.

I am not sure why he acts the way he does during a loss, I think he is conscious of his fans and sponsors.

Lewis Hamilton is a 7 time Formula 1 world Champion, he has just lost his title in controversial circumstances. In the moment of that loss, yes he congratulated Max Verstappen and said all the right things to the media 'Which he gained credit for'. But then he has since gone complete silent, and did not turn up to the awards ceremony at the end of the season. He has also been refusing to respond to Formula 1 officials trying to contact him. This is a man, and racing driver deep into his career 'After all of his triumphs, he is still highly disappointed'.

You get these normal everyday folk, who mock athletes or anyone who reacts strongly to a loss. People look at these athletes and project themselves and how they would react onto them 'But in reality, this is not how things operate at elite level of sport, business or world affairs'.

Verstappen has recently stated that, if he experiences another championship like last year 'This will shorten his career, due to the intensity and chaos'. Nico Roseberg retired after winning his world championship stating that 'It was affecting his life outside of the sport, the intensity, pressure and warfare'.

When Deontay Wilder loss to Tyson Fury, normal everyday people's perception of Deontay Wilder was one 'Of a bad loser, somebody who could not cope with losing'. My perception was that the war had just begun, and the competition between Wilder & Fury was no longer just a sporting match up. The intensity and near psychopathic reaction of Wilder was frightening, I knew straight away that 'If they would ever meet again for a 3rd fight, Wilder was going to leave it all in the ring'.

I will say this about Joshua? As the months have gone by since his loss to Usyk. He has been slowly but sure less accepting of the Usyk situation. Joshua has been slowly but surely, quite aggressive in his demeanor and attitude regarding the topic.

Check back throughout History, great competitors very few are accepting of a loss. None are immediately accepting, it takes a lot to reach that level of acceptance.

Agree with this perspective entirely, however regardless of how well Joshua applies his mind and attitude to the rematch I think the loss of trust in his chin from the Ruiz fight will haunt him for the rest of his career.

I’ve seen this numerous times over the years when training people and in fighters. Kell Brook being another good example. That tiny loss of confidence affects their whole movement subtlety from the feet up. It stops them from risking it all to see who connects first and that moment of hesitation is what looses them the fight. Kell never backed up or cowered prior to the GGG fight. Every fight after when the pressure came he reacted in the same way. It’ll be the same with Joshua now. I don’t think that ever repairs in some fighters, only the really special ones, the Barreras, Lewis etc. For lesser fighters they just revert to type when real pressure comes. I hope Joshua proves me wrong, but even if he is properly switched on I still think Usyk is destined to be a great, he’s special in many many ways. Timing, footwork, pace. He reads fighter so quickly and we’ll and tunes in whatever they throw his way.

Personally I think Joshua’s best chance is to take a leaf out of Marvin’s book when he faced Tommy. Hell for leather, break or bust until one of you drops. Have the balls to risk all. Usyk’s engine won’t matter a jot then so at least one factor is out of the equation as long as it lasts.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Agree with this perspective entirely, however regardless of how well Joshua applies his mind and attitude to the rematch I think the loss of trust in his chin from the Ruiz fight will haunt him for the rest of his career.

I’ve seen this numerous times over the years when training people and in fighters. Kell Brook being another good example. That tiny loss of confidence affects their whole movement subtlety from the feet up. It stops them from risking it all to see who connects first and that moment of hesitation is what looses them the fight. Kell never backed up or cowered prior to the GGG fight. Every fight after when the pressure came he reacted in the same way. It’ll be the same with Joshua now. I don’t think that ever repairs in some fighters, only the really special ones, the Barreras, Lewis etc. For lesser fighters they just revert to type when real pressure comes. I hope Joshua proves me wrong, but even if he is properly switched on I still think Usyk is destined to be a great, he’s special in many many ways. Timing, footwork, pace. He reads fighter so quickly and we’ll and tunes in whatever they throw his way.

Personally I think Joshua’s best chance is to take a leaf out of Marvin’s book when he faced Tommy. Hell for leather, break or bust until one of you drops. Have the balls to risk all. Usyk’s engine won’t matter a jot then so at least one factor is out of the equation as long as it lasts.

Yes I know what you are saying, but there are some fighters who seem to have a greater ability to overcome that trauma. When you lose in boxing, it is a very traumatic experience.

And fighters individually may deal with that situation differently, the recovery process is probably innate.

Joshua is still recovering or trying to recover from the Andy Ruiz Junior loss 'I have stated in other threads, that his sudden obsession with being all technical and dropping weight was a bi-product and reaction to his trauma'.

That is why I have given Dillian Whyte big credit for how fast he immediately 'Pursued his rematch with Povetkin, then knocked him out'.

For whatever reason, some fighters seem to have a ability to bounce back faster. Amir Khan is actually another fighter who remarkably just brushes off all of his loses, and bounces back real quick 'In his demeanor and character'.

Yes I have also insisted that Joshua needs to pretty much come with a similar game plan to what you have suggested. Joshua has to play to his strengths, which are his physicality and combination punching 'Ultimately, that is what won him Olympic Gold Medal and it is how he beat Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Joshua for me has been training in a repressed state, trying to be all intricate and technical 'He has improved a bit in these area's, but his combination punching has gone backwards' And I think his conditioning is off also, his durability seems to have decreased further more.

I think Joshua will win the rematch via stoppage 'I am 99.99% sure he is not going to fight the same kind fight as the first fight'.

[greeneye99]

That has to be one of the most convoluted articles I've seen posted on this website. What in Sam Hill? Who said what?

Well that doesn't say much at all
Since You've only been on this website 6 months Lololololol

[greeneye99]

Yes I know what you are saying, but there are some fighters who seem to have a greater ability to overcome that trauma. When you lose in boxing, it is a very traumatic experience.

And fighters individually may deal with that situation differently, the recovery process is probably innate.

Joshua is still recovering or trying to recover from the Andy Ruiz Junior loss 'I have stated in other threads, that his sudden obsession with being all technical and dropping weight was a bi-product and reaction to his trauma'.

That is why I have given Dillian Whyte big credit for how fast he immediately 'Pursued his rematch with Povetkin, then knocked him out'.

For whatever reason, some fighters seem to have a ability to bounce back faster. Amir Khan is actually another fighter who remarkably just brushes off all of his loses, and bounces back real quick 'In his demeanor and character'.

Yes I have also insisted that Joshua needs to pretty much come with a similar game plan to what you have suggested. Joshua has to play to his strengths, which are his physicality and combination punching 'Ultimately, that is what won him Olympic Gold Medal and it is how he beat Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Joshua for me has been training in a repressed state, trying to be all intricate and technical 'He has improved a bit in these area's, but his combination punching has gone backwards' And I think his conditioning is off also, his durability seems to have decreased further more.

I think Joshua will win the rematch via stoppage 'I am 99.99% sure he is not going to fight the same kind fight as the first fight'.

Damn both you guys should write articles
Lol
Good post tho

[SUBZER0ED]

Well, Joshua has vowed revenge and exercised an immediate rematch clause. What else is he supposed to do, Teddy? Say he wants to eat Usyk's kids?

[ShoulderRoll]

Atlas is right. Joshua is toilet tissue soft.