Comments Thread For: Atlas: Joshua Accepts Defeat Too Easily, Like a Guy That Made Too Much Money

[Monty Fisto]

Hard to disagree with Teddy.....AJ just wanting to get paid these days, not hurt.

It would be a strange boxer that didn't want to get paid and did want to get hurt.

[P to the J]

Just wondering what excuse will be made for all the other HWs when Usyk clears the division out (my prediction).

When he unified at CW, we’re Briedis, et al., also “too comfortable with their millions”? What about Berbetiev and Joyce when Usyk smoked them back in the amateur ranks?

For me, this underlines a fundamental problem, even with apparent boxing experts. No matter how much they all claim to rate the likes of Usyk, they clearly thought a big guy like Joshua could just turn up and roll him over. The actual result obviously defied their expectations, but my point is it shouldn’t have, if they know as much about boxing as they should.

I don’t know s***, but I called the result before the fight. Maybe it helps having an external perspective, because a lot of ppl are letting hype and profile influence their opinions

[hugh grant]

Josh don't accept defeat easily. He's changed trainers and wants rematch as he's angry he lost

[M111]

Yes I know what you are saying, but there are some fighters who seem to have a greater ability to overcome that trauma. When you lose in boxing, it is a very traumatic experience.

And fighters individually may deal with that situation differently, the recovery process is probably innate.

Joshua is still recovering or trying to recover from the Andy Ruiz Junior loss 'I have stated in other threads, that his sudden obsession with being all technical and dropping weight was a bi-product and reaction to his trauma'.

That is why I have given Dillian Whyte big credit for how fast he immediately 'Pursued his rematch with Povetkin, then knocked him out'.

For whatever reason, some fighters seem to have a ability to bounce back faster. Amir Khan is actually another fighter who remarkably just brushes off all of his loses, and bounces back real quick 'In his demeanor and character'.

Yes I have also insisted that Joshua needs to pretty much come with a similar game plan to what you have suggested. Joshua has to play to his strengths, which are his physicality and combination punching 'Ultimately, that is what won him Olympic Gold Medal and it is how he beat Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Joshua for me has been training in a repressed state, trying to be all intricate and technical 'He has improved a bit in these area's, but his combination punching has gone backwards' And I think his conditioning is off also, his durability seems to have decreased further more.

I think Joshua will win the rematch via stoppage 'I am 99.99% sure he is not going to fight the same kind fight as the first fight'.

I agree he’ll try not to fight the same fight but not so sure he’ll be able to stick with that once, as I expect, Usyk tunes into whatever he’s doing and does his thing.

The old Joshua used to quite happily take one to land one and often and smiled at his opponent before throwing one back. That disappeared to a large extent after Ruiz with the exception of Pulev who, let’s face it was an easy fight / no real threat. To me that was the best part of his game, the acceptance of that risk. Once that was gone, the best part of his game disappeared with it and trying to adopt the Klitchko’esque jab and hold nonsense turned him into something he’s not which is what many people on this thread see. As soon as a fighter looses that quintessential aspect of their game that makes them the fighter they are, everything changes.

Klitschko Fury - Vlad met a taller, more mobile opponent he couldn’t lean on or clinch for the first time. Looses conclusively. Moseley Mayweather - Shane faced a genuinely faster fighter for the first time. Looses conclusively. Take away their best point and they struggle. Difference is Joshua’s loss is mental and nothing I’ve seen in any fight since had convinced me he’s got that killer instinct or sense of throwing caution to the wind back.

But this is boxing. Anything can happen and nobody can predict it with certainty. He could walk into that ring, go for it and knock Usyk out in the first round and prove everyone wrong.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I agree he’ll try not to fight the same fight but not so sure he’ll be able to stick with that once, as I expect, Usyk tunes into whatever he’s doing and does his thing.

The old Joshua used to quite happily take one to land one and often and smiled at his opponent before throwing one back. That disappeared to a large extent after Ruiz with the exception of Pulev who, let’s face it was an easy fight / no real threat. To me that was the best part of his game, the acceptance of that risk. Once that was gone, the best part of his game disappeared with it and trying to adopt the Klitchko’esque jab and hold nonsense turned him into something he’s not which is what many people on this thread see. As soon as a fighter looses that quintessential aspect of their game that makes them the fighter they are, everything changes.

Klitschko Fury - Vlad met a taller, more mobile opponent he couldn’t lean on or clinch for the first time. Looses conclusively. Moseley Mayweather - Shane faced a genuinely faster fighter for the first time. Looses conclusively. Take away their best point and they struggle. Difference is Joshua’s loss is mental and nothing I’ve seen in any fight since had convinced me he’s got that killer instinct or sense of throwing caution to the wind back.

But this is boxing. Anything can happen and nobody can predict it with certainty. He could walk into that ring, go for it and knock Usyk out in the first round and prove everyone wrong.

Yes, I remember when he was fighting Dillian Whyte 'Joshua seemed as if he was having the time of his life in that fight' He almost appeared sadistic. Joshua had this aura of a quiet arrogance, when in the line of fire. That did seem to disappear after his loss to Ruiz Junior 'Against Pulev, I think he was slowly but surely trying to rediscover that'.

Carl Froch in the aftermath of Joshua's performance against Kiltschko stated 'If you where a passenger on a sinking ship, you want Anthony Joshua on that ship, because he would find a way to survive'.

That was Carl Froch's description of Anthony Joshua's constitution and character. Since that fight the perception of Joshua seems to have gone 180 degree's.

But all I know is? He has not disappeared, Joshua is still here and still trying. That is why I am giving him a chance to resurface.

I don't know what the long-term future holds for Joshua, but I believe for sure he will beat Usyk 'Usyk can only react to what Joshua does in the third fight'. Joshua can manipulate his dimensions in ways which Usyk cannot 'He can weigh as high as 250 pounds, and still go 12 rounds'.

I don't think Usyk is this matrix type of fighter people make him out to be.

[AmpMcv]

Well that doesn't say much at all
Since You've only been on this website 6 months Lololololol

Hey, now! I was a lurker for a while too!

[Roberto Vasquez]

Joshua worries me because he accepted defeat perfectly but then everyone starts saying he should be angry about it and now he keeps pretending his is angry. I mean the guy know it's a sport and he needs to get better to win - he absolutely does not need to get angry. If he gets angry with that chin - he will lose.

[M111]

Yes, I remember when he was fighting Dillian Whyte 'Joshua seemed as if he was having the time of his life in that fight' He almost appear sadistic. Joshua had this aura of quiet arrogance, when in the line of fire. That did seem to disappear after his loss to Ruiz Junior 'Against Pulev, I think he was slowly but surely trying to rediscover that'.

Carl Froch in the aftermath of Joshua's performance against Kiltschko stated 'If you where a passenger on a sinking ship, you want Anthony Joshua on that ship, because he would find a way to survive'.

That was Carl Froch's description of Anthony Joshua's constitution and character. Since that fight the perception of Joshua seems to have gone 180 degree's.

But all I know is? He has not disappeared, Joshua is still here and still trying. That is why I am giving him a chance to resurface.

I don't know what the long-term future holds for Joshua, but I believe for sure he will beat Usyk 'Usyk can only react to what Joshua does in the third fight'. Joshua can manipulate his dimensions in was which Usyk cannot 'He can weigh as high as 250 pounds, and still go 12 rounds'.

I don't think Usyk is this matrix type of fighter people make him out to be.

I think that may be where our opinions diverge. I do think Usyk is massively underrated and has the potential to be truly great. I see things in his footwork and balance that are so unbelievably rare in big men and I’ve trained literally hundreds.

One thing you can’t teach a fighter is how to read an opponent, tune in on their movement and time and exploit it. Roy Jones once play sparred with Ali briefly and afterwards he said Ali read his movement and tuned in quicker than anyone he’d ever met in the ring. Ali was well into his 60’s at the time.

The other thing that takes is lightness on the feet. Ali, Ray Robinson, Pacquiao, Mayweather. All had incredible footwork and timing. I see these things in Usyk. He also hasn’t lost the engine with the increase in weight which is a testament to his training long term and genetic to an extent. I just can’t see Joshua catching him up as I think Usyk’s style is so much more flexible and reactive. He’ll adjust on the fly as opposed to going in with a gameplan.

I do hear what you’re saying regarding Joshua though. I think bar the confidence in his chin, his determination and drive is second to none. But Usyk is no Ruiz. He’ll come into the second fight even better prepared and potentially stronger again than first time around.