Serious question. If Teofimo Lopez wasn't undisputed, how is Kambosis?

[Marchegiano]

Come on man we both know that's complete bs Black/brown people have been undisputed before... i hate when people just jump on racism all the damn time diminishes the word to a joke. Only a few selective boxing fans are racist but to claim boxing itself is racist is both hiliarious and ******.

I'm ****ing with OP, don't take me seriously.

[Kzbox]

I'm ****ing with OP, don't take me seriously.

Ahh fair enough then man just too many do jump on that train well too easy within this forum annoys me a bit any criticism of black folk = racisms it's like black people can be criticized too know what i mean.

[DaNeutral.]

That's not what I said. I said the other orgs do recognize the franchise world title. They list Estrade, who is franchise world champion. They also allow their titles to be unified with the franchise world title, as evidenced by Lomachenko and Teofimo.

You really are a slippery little sausage aren't you Susan. Very shifty and misleading with your words.

[WBC WBA IBF]

You really are a slippery little sausage aren't you Susan. Very shifty and misleading with your words.

No, I just know what words mean and UK fans tend to be poorly educated.

[Kzbox]

No, I just know what words mean and UK fans tend to be poorly educated.

What a crock of **** the UK are definitely more educated than the US. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php you dummys are behind australia ffs..

[WBC WBA IBF]

What a crock of **** the UK are definitely more educated than the US. https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php you dummys are behind australia ffs..

The public at large? Sure. Members of the Hearn cult? Not so much.

[Kzbox]

The public at large? Sure. Members of the Hearn cult? Not so much.

Didn't know there was such a thing as a "hearn cult" that sounds insane never seen anything even hinting at that tbf. Why would people care about the promoter? doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Squared.Circle]

Are you new to reading? All of those websites list Juan Estrada, who is franchise world champion.




The problem is that you don't understand what undisputed champion means. Undisputed champion means you're the champion of every recognized organization. Every recognized organization says Kambosos is their champion. It doesn't matter if a secondary champion like Haney or Tank disputes it. It doesn't matter if all of the writers on DAZN's payroll dispute it. The WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO are not in dispute over who the champion is. They all say Kambosos.

And even if the WBO says he isn't the WBC champion, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the WBC says he's WBC champion.

Your definition of an undisputed champion is incorrect; an undisputed champion is one whose championship status is not disputed. It is literally as simple as that. The hint is in the name. The fact that this is a topic of conversation means that there is a dispute, does it not?

So I imagine the overwhelming majority ofboxing journalists are paid by DAZN, right? Because I have yet to see consistent and regular usage of "undisputed lightweight champion" before Kambosos' name. Why? Because his status as WBC champion is disputed.

The organisations aren't in dispute as to who their champion is, but as I've shown, they're certainly in dispute as to who the champion is (aka...undisputed champion).

Estrada is literally your strongest argument, yet falls flat on its face with a dash of common sense. The other organisations recognise Estrada for two reasons: he is the sole WBC champion, and was so when the honorary-non-transferable-then-honorary-only-transferable-upon-request-now-honorary-primary-only-transferable-upon-request "championship designation" was introduced. They're not recognising the Franchise title, they're recognising Estrada's previous designation. I guarantee that when the vacant (universally recognised) WBC super-flyweight title gets snatched up...Estrada is no longer universally recognised as WBC champion.

Is it fair that López will not be historically recognised as an undisputed lightweight champion? No. Not at all. But you can blame Sulaiwoman with all his money grabbing schemes for that one.

Next up will be Wilder winning the bridgerweight title and all his fangirls start touting him as a two-weight champion.

[NC Uppercut]

Sulaiman flat out refused to answer that question. I can't remember when or what article it was but Boxingscene ran it maybe within the last 2, 3 months

The interview last week with Mauricio Suliman would have Jose turning in his grave!

[Squared.Circle]

Dude literally told me this dispute comes down to the IBF, WBO, and WBA "not putting much thought or effort" into their rankings and official acknowledgements.

I got work to do, but, I am going to call them and ask them how they feel about that.

You're going to ring them and ask them if they acknowledge the bullshlt KFC Frenchfries title? They'll laugh at you harder than the world did at Kambosos and his dad.

Why not give Sulaiwoman a call and ask him what he thinks about nobody (except López) supporting this nonsense? Oh yea, I forgot, he doesn't like answering those kind of questions.