Comments Thread For: Arum Slams Whyte's Demands For Fury Fight: Now Considering Ruiz, Helenius As Opponents

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How accurate was REEDEEMER about that Wilder arbitration? He claims to be in the legal field too.

So it’s my fault Arum swindled the entire boxing world by not signing a termination clause ?


Here he is doing it again except I can see what he’s doing ,I guess gullible people this time like yourself is falling for it again .

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Ruiz vs Arreola did poorly despite making it a domestic rivalry .

You really are out of the loop if you think any Ruiz fight with Fury is bigger then a U.K one between Fury and Whyte .

A Fury vs Ruiz PPV in Las Vegas would bring in more revenue than a UK fight between Fury and Shyte.

That's just the way it is.

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A Fury vs Ruiz PPV in Las Vegas would bring in more revenue than a UK fight between Fury and Shyte.

That's just the way it is.

Yea maybe in a title fight but Fury isn’t defending his title next ?

Right now Whyte is the biggest fight out there fir him so keep on fishing .

[Bronx2245]

Ruiz vs Arreola did poorly despite making it a domestic rivalry .

You really are out of the loop if you think any Ruiz fight with Fury is bigger then a U.K one between Fury and Whyte .

It could be possible! Fury is very popular in the U.S., especially Las Vegas! UK fights have a lot of fans, but nowhere in the Top 5 of largest gates in boxing history. Floyd made more money in Las Vegas than Joshua did in the UK. Fury vs. a Mexican in Las Vegas? Like I said, could be possible.

[Blackstarr]

When I see fights between one of the sport's biggest star fighters and a heavy underdog believed by all to have no hope, ant then it turns out the underdog is unexpectedly competitive with the favorite and goes on to win a shocking upset, my usual takeaway is that the public was very wrong to underestimate the skill of the underdog, and not that the public was right but the underdog just got lucky. I didn't view Ruiz beating Joshua as a fluke win, instead I saw a fighter who competed with and outfought one of the sport's biggest stars against all expectations. Andy earned that win, he earned the heavyweight championship, and he earned my respect as one of the division's best fighters.

He looked bad in the rematch but he also looked like a guy who had won the lottery and spent the last three months celebrating his unexpected fortune. My guess is that like the rest of us he probably never imagined he would actually win the first fight, and then suddenly he was the heavyweight champion of the world. I'm not too surprised he looked awful in the rematch, my guess is he was too busy living it up to ever really worry about preparing for the second one. I give AJ a lot of credit for sticking to his outside fight plan but I also saw lots of moments where even a badly conditioned Andy was able to close in on him and every time AJ reacted like he was in big trouble, and there were also a lot of times where AJ looked like he was outright running away from Andy.

So yeah I think Andy has a lot of skill and imo he's already proven he can hang at the highest level. With the right team supporting him I believe he could someday win a world title again. On a related note I think it's kinda disrespectful to talk about "fluke" wins or losses. There's no luck in boxing, nobody is rolling dice or spinning the roulette wheel to see who wins. It's just one fighter's skills against another's.

Your last statement is again a bit of a distortion - of course there’s luck in boxing, and just about every other sport. You’re confused in thinking I’m comparing boxing to a game of chance with 100% luck, which I’m obviously not, but it’s naive to think there’s no luck at all.

I also give credit to Ruiz for capitalising on AJ’s carelessness, but when you have a situation where you back one fighter to win 1 times out of 10 and that outcome happens, then to me that carries an element of fortune where you rely almost as much on what the favourite didn’t do compared to what the underdog did do.

Ruiz’s lack of dedication to training is precisely what counts against him when ranking how good he is, which is ultimately what we were debating in the first place. He can’t ride on just one significant win, especially when it was immediately reversed, to justify being placed above other more consistent fighters with a broader resume. That’s all I’m saying, which appears to be the view of the boxing mainstream as well.

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It could be possible! Fury is very popular in the U.S., especially Las Vegas! UK fights have a lot of fans, but nowhere in the Top 5 of largest gates in boxing history. Floyd made more money in Las Vegas than Joshua did in the UK. Fury vs. a Mexican in Las Vegas? Like I said, could be possible.

Fury vs Helenius in Vegas with no title at stake will show us how popular he is . He’s trying to build his reputation there the problem is he’s not that mindset to stick with it he’s not going to do that long term before he quits or temporarily leaves again .by choice or a loss .

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Yea maybe in a title fight but Fury isn’t defending his title next ?

Right now Whyte is the biggest fight out there fir him so keep on fishing .

Title or not Fury is the real, linear heavyweight champion of the world.

Him vs Ruiz in Las Vegas is a bigger fight. Period.

You have to stop being emotional about this just because you hate Fury and because you can't handle that Joshua got beat again. Stick to facts and logic, if you even can?

[4truth]

If the fight doesn't happen then you have to look at what was offered and turned down before passing judgement.

Definitely Fury has other options if Whyte doesn't want to accept a reasonable offer.

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Title or not Fury is the real, linear heavyweight champion of the world.

Him vs Ruiz in Las Vegas is a bigger fight. Period.

You have to stop being emotional about this just because you hate Fury and because you can't handle that Joshua got beat again. Stick to facts and logic, if you even can?

So the masses are going to go out in droves because he’s the self proclaimed lineal champion ? I hope your a better story teller in real life .

And no that’s opinion not a fact ,you have trouble distinguishing with the two .

Are we on kindergarten level mentality now again ? If we had a poster most obsessed with a fighter on here trying to bring him down you’d also be the winner concerning Whyte ,you sound like a little boy .

[Blackstarr]

I'm not a fan of either so have no bias on the subject. However I don't think you understand the situation.

Whyte is locked into a dispute with the WBC. There is no point in talking further at this point. . 3 months to wait for the decision deadline.

What's the problem if fury wants to keep busy in the meantime? The WBC Mando isn't going anywhere and the belt won't be on the line if fury decides to fight whilst waiting for the situation to play out.

Personally I like to see fighters at their best. I want to see them as sharp as they can be .

Whyte’s dispute is predominantly over what the purse split will be, and this is only an issue because Fury is nowhere close to giving him what his entitled split would be as interim champion. Fury’s team could end all this arbitration nonsense by offering a 35-40% split.

Now you could argue this is excessive, but Hearn and AJ have been overpaying all this time and nobody complained, so what’s the issue? And what other palatable choice does Fury have? What top rated HW will fight Fury for the money Whyte is being offered, when there is no belt on the line and it involves risking a likely loss on their resume?