Comments Thread For: Arum Slams Whyte's Demands For Fury Fight: Now Considering Ruiz, Helenius As Opponents

[REDEEMER]

Let's see: Dillian Whyte, 6 fights in a row on Sky Sports Box Office, but his biggest payday so far is a little over £200,000. Something doesn't quite add up. Were Matchroom and/or Sky Sports fudging the numbers? And now the bumnuts are claiming that £5,000,000 is short-changing Whyte? A 25-times increase on his biggest payday? Get real, phaggots.

Andy Ruiz, a former Unified Heavyweight champion. 105-5 as an Amateur. Arguably should be a two-time champ. When in shape beat Anthony Joshua like a ginger-haired stepson. And Tyson has struggled when fighting much shorter opponents. Ruiz has a low centre-of-gravity, fights really short, has good movement in and out of range, throws unorthodox punches against big men... a very, very interesting fight for Tyson Fury. And a better legacy fight than Dillian Shyte!

Ruiz was offered 4 million to fight Whyte but turned it down in a non title fight .

If Arum is unwilling to pay Whyte a reasonable share what do you think Ruiz will ask for in a non title fight where he risks a loss not gaining anything but a possible undisputed fight ?

[RoadMan94]

The hypocrites on this site are amusing. Same ppl claiming wilder should of took 12.5M off Eddie and AJ, but telling whyte to hold out for more. Bunch of *******

[REDEEMER]

The hypocrites on this site are amusing. Same ppl claiming wilder should of took 12.5M off Eddie and AJ, but telling whyte to hold out for more. Bunch of *******

The 12.5 million was over 8x Wilders highest pay day . Not only that Wilder wasn’t generating the majority interest he wasn’t a draw . Fury can’t do a stadium fight without Whyte ,you’ll see when they cancel those Manchester plans because it will flop or won’t meet expectations .

[tokon]

The purse bids actually don’t matter after this because Fury is going to dodge this fight altogether and take an easy touch to go into the Undisputed one .

. . . nothing more to really discuss beyond that ,smarter posters will see it fir what it is .

1. Yes, I agree, this fits with how fury operates.

2. Ok.

[The Ninth Layer]

I respectfully disagree. Ruiz might end up being seen as the more famous fighter, but not the better - there’s a clear difference and you’re confusing the two. Yes Buster Douglas achieved worldwide fame and lasting recognition, but does anyone rank him amongst Holyfield’s best wins or anywhere close? Holyfield has beaten far better fighters with less name recognition who many wouldn’t know.

Talking “ten years from now” is absolutely pointless anyway..neither of their careers are close to being over and so much can change. What makes sense is talking the here and now, and right now Whyte is ranked above Ruiz in every boxing publication.

In the here and now, Andy's a former world champion who knocked out an undefeated fighter people considered unbeatable. Even if he lost the rematch he's still proven goods at the highest level of the sport. If you fight him, you're fighting a guy with proven championship-winning knockout power and the ability to deploy it even after getting up from the canvass, a guy dangerous enough to have knockout artist Anthony Joshua looking like Guillermo Rigondeaux in the rematch.

Whyte has done nothing comparable to that in his career to indicate he's a better fighter than Ruiz or should be seen as a better win to have on a record.. He may have beaten Joseph Parker who Andy couldn't beat but he also didn't find Andy's fluke punch against AJ and when he lost to Joshua we didn't need to wait for three judges to count their scores.

Whyte being slightly higher in the middle of some top 10 boxing lists means basically nothing. ESPN has Ruiz above him and anyway we're talking about which guy slots into #5 vs #6 behind Wilder, AJ, Usyk and Fury. If you think it's hugely better to beat the #5 guy with two knockout losses instead of the #6 guy who was the former heavyweight champion then ok it's your opinion but that just seems crazy to me, I'd much rather beat former world champions instead of guys knocked out by former world champions.

[dannnnn]

Ruiz is a good fight, wouldn't mind seeing that. Though of course this being boxing there's about a 90% chance it'll be Helenius, which is a s**t fight.

[The Ninth Layer]

That would defeat the whole purpose of Fury having a UK homecoming. My point remains that Ruiz is not going to fight Fury for no belt on the line and the money Arun is offering, which doesn’t compensate for the risk. Furthermore, the fight wouldn’t make sense in the UK as you’ve correctly pointed out, which adds to the list of reasons I don’t see this fight happening.

My impression was that Fury is indifferent to fighting in the UK but saw Whyte as an excuse to have an event back there. He seems pretty happy fighting in Vegas from what I've heard. I could see him going back to the UK for Helenius, but yeah Fury-Ruiz would make more sense as a Vegas fight.

My sense is Fury-Ruiz would do well enough business-wise with or without the WBC belt at stake, with or without the hardware Fury is still seen by many as the lineal champ of the division and beating him would immediately put Andy back into the mix for Usyk or a Joshua trilogy, if not a Fury rematch. I think if I was on Andy's team I'd rather he not fight Fury next and instead get him a tune-up and aim for a fight with Wilder, but they may feel that if they pass on a Fury fight now it's probably a while before they get another chance at a match against the top guys.

Idk, hopefully Fury and Whyte can come to terms and fight for the belt, because while I think the Usyk-Joshua 2 winner fights Fury regardless it'd be a lot nicer if all the belts were up for it.

[Blackstarr]

In the here and now, Andy's a former world champion who knocked out an undefeated fighter people considered unbeatable. Even if he lost the rematch he's still proven goods at the highest level of the sport. If you fight him, you're fighting a guy with proven championship-winning knockout power and the ability to deploy it even after getting up from the canvass, a guy dangerous enough to have knockout artist Anthony Joshua looking like Guillermo Rigondeaux in the rematch.

Whyte has done nothing comparable to that in his career to indicate he's a better fighter than Ruiz or should be seen as a better win to have on a record.. He may have beaten Joseph Parker who Andy couldn't beat but he also didn't find Andy's fluke punch against AJ and when he lost to Joshua we didn't need to wait for three judges to count their scores.

Whyte being slightly higher in the middle of some top 10 boxing lists means basically nothing. ESPN has Ruiz above him and anyway we're talking about which guy slots into #5 vs #6 behind Wilder, AJ, Usyk and Fury. If you think it's hugely better to beat the #5 guy with two knockout losses instead of the #6 guy who was the former heavyweight champion then ok it's your opinion but that just seems crazy to me, I'd much rather beat former world champions instead of guys knocked out by former world champions.

You’re exaggerating here..nobody considered AJ unbeatable - he had shown vulnerability in previous fights and Klitschko came very close to knocking him out.

And in my opinion you’re taking Ruiz’s victory completely out of the context in which it was achieved, just to prove a point. The odds in the rematch tells you everyone believed it was a fluke, which he subsequently proved and has gone on to achieve nothing of note so far, including getting dropped by Arreola. Had he beaten AJ like Usyk did and/or acquitted himself well in the rematch, I’d absolutely agree with you. But like Douglas, McCall, Rahman, Purrity and others before him, Ruiz will go down as a flash in the pan who by luck managed to beat a far superior opponent due to that fighter’s carelessness.

The ESPN rankings wasn’t on my radar and is the only one with this opinion after I checked again, so I’ll go with the consensus view. Whyte has beaten far more top 10 opponents and shown much better consistency and dedication - I’ll take this any day over a fluke win that was immediately and comprehensively reversed. The vast majority of mainstream boxing media subscribe to this view, but you’re obviously entitled to your minority opinion and we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

[STREET CLEANER]

And you can keep crying but the man will either get what he’s worth or the fat gypo would get stripped. Get a big bucket for yer tears tho and clean the streets afterwards, lol.

Don't care if Fury gets stripped and don't care watching him against Helenius or Ruiz. Whyte has fought his way into the picture but all the drama he has had with the WBC might bite him on the butt.

[wildman]

Business and egos always spoil boxing. Whyte is the perfect opponent for Fury right now, but I don't think Whyte really wants any of Fury. If not Whyte, then Joyce would be the most attractive challenger. Ruiz would be totally outclassed. Helenius may be more competitive, but isn't an attraction outside of Europe.