Was Canelo really a "kid" when he faced Floyd?

[El_Maldito_Rey]

43 pro fights, including 6 title fights is Inexperienced? Lmfao.

Canelo just wasn’t good enough to beat old Floyd. No shame because better men than Canelo couldn’t either.

Discussing a rematch is a waste of time because Canelo will probably get caught using PED’s or a banned substance before the fight and cause it to be canceled.

Except he hasn't tested positive for anything for years.

It's a waste of time because Gayweather isn't man enough to face him now. He knows he'd get his face caved in. Brady is still playing at a high level at 45. That's why he's the greatest football player of all time, Gayweather will be forgotten.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Canelo wants to fight a fighter who has never weighed above 155 in the ring?

Gayweather had no problem fighting a 115 lb Japanese kickboxer or a 190 lb Paul brother.

Gayweather knows he'd get his skull caved in.

[Cypocryphy]

Is someone 23 and with a 41-0 record a kid? When Tyson and Ali were 23 nobody called them kids and Canelo was fighting pro at a younger age than they did.

Canelo was in the business of cherrypicking at a certain point in his career, where he either fought guys moving up in weight or guys past their prime. It began with Ryan Rhodes, and then Shane Mosely. After Mosley, he though Floyd was ripe for the picking but that backfired. Much in the same way that Tyson Fury backfired for Deontay Wilder, Floyd backfired on Alvarez. After the Floyd loss, he rebounded with a fight against a 40 year old Cotto.

Other tactics are fighting guys on the slide, where he fights a guy on a previous bad performance rather than a good performance. The Trout fight was a good win, but Trout looked vulnerable in a previous fight, so Canelo pounced. Other examples are Angulo and Lara. I remember Kellerman praising Canelo for getting in the ring with these guys, that Canelo takes on challenges. But Kellerman seems to be giving Canelo more credit than he deserves. Angulo was stopped by Lara, who was intern dropped several times in that fight. Because Angulo looked bad in that fight, Canelo pounced and put a whooping on Angulo. Because he beat Angulo so easily, he viewed Lara as an easy fight as Lara seemed to struggle with Angulo at times. Lara, however, beat Canelo. I don't think you can look at it any other way. (Lara is one of my favorite boxers but I still think he won and so too do many others.) He then had Khan move up in weight, and Khan would have beat him if Khan didn't have a glass chin. The GGG was a fight that Canelo ducked because Golovkin was still knocking guys out. It wasn't until the fight with the Miracle Man that Canelo pounced. It's his MO. We can see how he's carried on this careful matchmaking and opportunism into the present time.

So back to your question, the Mayweather fight was a cherrypick gone wrong. Canelo thought that being so many years younger than Floyd that he'd run over him like he did Mosely.

[champion4ever]

He had his "man strength" Floyd just wouldn't let him use his PEDs because he demanded the strictest vada testing possible, in Canelo's next fight he looked like a hulking bodybuilder again

Very funny post!

[champion4ever]

Hell no! Only his fanboys say that shit! By the time he fought Floyd they both had basically the same amount professional fights. He had 43 prizefights to Mayweather's 44 prizefights. Therefore, he had just as much ring experience as a professional prizefighter as Floyd Money Mayweather.

[LeOoze]

Gayweather had no problem fighting a 115 lb Japanese kickboxer or a 190 lb Paul brother.

Gayweather knows he'd get his skull caved in.

Both of those fights were exhibitions

[LeOoze]

Canelo was in the business of cherrypicking at a certain point in his career, where he either fought guys moving up in weight or guys past their prime. It began with Ryan Rhodes, and then Shane Mosely. After Mosley, he though Floyd was ripe for the picking but that backfired. Much in the same way that Tyson Fury backfired for Deontay Wilder, Floyd backfired on Alvarez. After the Floyd loss, he rebounded with a fight against a 40 year old Cotto.

Other tactics are fighting guys on the slide, where he fights a guy on a previous bad performance rather than a good performance. The Trout fight was a good win, but Trout looked vulnerable in a previous fight, so Canelo pounced. Other examples are Angulo and Lara. I remember Kellerman praising Canelo for getting in the ring with these guys, that Canelo takes on challenges. But Kellerman seems to be giving Canelo more credit than he deserves. Angulo was stopped by Lara, who was intern dropped several times in that fight. Because Angulo looked bad in that fight, Canelo pounced and put a whooping on Angulo. Because he beat Angulo so easily, he viewed Lara as an easy fight as Lara seemed to struggle with Angulo at times. Lara, however, beat Canelo. I don't think you can look at it any other way. (Lara is one of my favorite boxers but I still think he won and so too do many others.) He then had Khan move up in weight, and Khan would have beat him if Khan didn't have a glass chin. The GGG was a fight that Canelo ducked because Golovkin was still knocking guys out. It wasn't until the fight with the Miracle Man that Canelo pounced. It's his MO. We can see how he's carried on this careful matchmaking and opportunism into the present time.

So back to your question, the Mayweather fight was a cherrypick gone wrong. Canelo thought that being so many years younger than Floyd that he'd run over him like he did Mosely.

Floyd was #1 p4p and didn't look to be washed when he beat Cotto and The Ghost. Mosley also wasn't ranked when he fought Canelo I believe. So I doubt Canelo and his team thought just because he beat Mosley, that Floyd would be a piece of cake.

Trout looked vulnerable in a previous fight? He beat the **** outta Cotto and at the time many thought that he beat Cotto worse than Floyd did.

[b Murphington]

At the end of the day, he was a reining champion and had pro experience. Say what you want about his competition when he was 16 yrs old and fighting in Mexico, but he faced half way decent guys before he went up against Mayweather, Trout being the best he faced before Mayweather.

Obviously he wasn’t in his prime years when he fought Floyd, but I wouldn’t necessarily call him a kid either. I don’t think anyone who’s a reining champ with successful title defenses could be called a kid.

[Cypocryphy]

Floyd was #1 p4p and didn't look to be washed when he beat Cotto and The Ghost. Mosley also wasn't ranked when he fought Canelo I believe. So I doubt Canelo and his team thought just because he beat Mosley, that Floyd would be a piece of cake.

Trout looked vulnerable in a previous fight? He beat the **** outta Cotto and at the time many thought that he beat Cotto worse than Floyd did.

Oh yeah, you're right about Trout, although I don't recall that he "beat the **** out of Cotto." He definitely outboxed him. I was thinking of his loss to Lara, but I guess that happened afterward. There was a reason he fought him ... I'll have to go back and look.

Anyhow, even though Floyd was P4P, there was a sense that Canelo's youth and strength would get him the win on Floyd, that Floyd was too old. There was a belief that Floyd was going to get old overnight. Floyd was only a favorite by -240 for that fight. Canelo was a +210. That's pretty low for being a P4P #1, fighting a guy who wasn't even on the P4P list. Canelo was banking on Floyd being an old man that night.

[GrandpaBernard]

Prob is Alvarez got handled hard

Boxing tradition the young rising star is supposed to beat the old fading star

Floyd was simply too good for Alvarez to get the job done