Why So Much Hate For Lomachenko?

[Cypocryphy]

Dude this is complete and utter bullshit. Division is caused by threads like this where you rant against this dude for not liking 3 guys from different nationalities, countries and of different races, and then you single out the white boxer and virtual signal to other white posters.

If this truly and honestly bugs you, and you really want to see the sport come together then just one time sincerely criticize the racism you see from non black sites or posters instead of what you did here where you justify Tank getting more heat because he is a celebrity when in other threads you’ve suggested he isn’t a big draw not a star.

Missing weight isn’t something talked about outside the sport that much so celebrity stays has no bearing on volume. You absolutely know this so for you to post otherwise shows this thread is agenda driven and disingenuous.

What it seems like you really want is anyone you think is black to like Loma and not criticize him. Be a man and just say that.

The question becomes why? Why must Loma be liked by everyone?

When you do it this way you look really bad.

I definitely will single out posters like that. But what you are talking is absolute nonsense. You see Dunn, you are projecting your own prejudices and warped state of mind onto me. YOU think that way. I do not. But that's inconceivable to you because you can't fathom anyone not thinking the way you do.

And if you can find a channel with a quarter of a million subscribers that spouts racist bull****, then just let me know. I'll gladly bring the heat down on them.

(Oh and the missing weight thing, criticizing Beterbiev when he MADE WEIGHT and then pulling the race card on anyone criticizing Tank for missing weight is completely justified. Tank has a history of missing weight. He was even stripped of his title. Beterbiev never missed weight, so doing this apple to oranges comparison, claiming that there is racial bias and getting thousands of people worked up over it, when they actually don't even have a clue what's going on, is dangerous and harmful in many ways, not just to the sport of boxing. You MUST be able to see that.)

[SunDiego-]

Lmao at the need to hype up Linares as something that he never was or will be
Fluke losses everyone, haha comedy hour up in this b1tch

[Cypocryphy]

What you are doing here is part of disgusting anti black trend where black websites, shows and posters are deemed racist whenever they don’t like a boxer that isn’t black. This isn’t done by you or anyone else when the sites are not black owned.

Now maybe this wasn’t your intent, but when you single out Loma, the only white boxer, from a group of 3 that he doesn’t like, you are virtual signaling to the portion of his fan base that you know like him primarily because he is white.

Why are you doing it this way? That seems very agenda driven.

I don’t go to this site. why is it a problem if he doesn’t like AJ, Teo or Loma? Only with black fans, websites and posters is there blowback when we are open about not liking a particular boxer.

You have made many threads. None about non blacks not liking black boxers. This thread topic has been a recurring theme in many of your posts.

Can you please explain why?

I don't know if you read all of my posts in this thread, but I went off about his criticizing AJ. The guy has some crazy issue with AJ. I might have said it in the past on this forum before too. I'm sure of it. But that was another thing that he does. And that's why I think he's a racist nationalist. (Oh yeah, I should mention Teofimo too because he's said lame **** about Lopez as well, but his Lomachenko crap was taken up a notch recently.)

People are complicated, and he clearly has issues. What I don't like is that he has a loud, popular voice. But like I said, just point me out other that I might have missed. To be honest, if there are white nationalistic, racist channels, I haven't see them. It wouldn't be something I ever watch or would look for. You know what I mean? I'm sure there are some out there, but I just don't know who they are. If you point one out, I'll go look and I'll make a thread about them too.

[PistolPat]

Nope. You are wrong. Linares would have schooled all of them, easily. He was a changed man once he paired with Ismael Salas. Once he was with him, he couldn't lose. He outboxed everyone. Even Emanuel Steward said he was one of the most incredible boxers he had ever seen. Near perfect. Coming from Steward, that means everything.



No. That fight with Broner was simply DeMarco at the tail end of a downward trajectory. He wasn't the boxer he had been before. Then, on top of that, you had Broner at his peak, putting on the performance of his career. So that is the why for that and has no reflection on Linares. In fact, Linares was having a perfect fight until the cut on the bride of his nose and eye. Not only did that happen, but he had the worst cut man in the history of boxing in his corner that night. (Well, maybe Beterbiev's cut man from the other night was worse.) His cut man kept forgetting his gear, and then when he had it, he'd drop the q-tips. **** was unreal. And that was a fluke with Cano. It also happened to occur once he left Salas and took his training into his own hands. That was Linares' worst mistake. But it doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best three-division champs to fight in the squared circle.

Wrong? First you said he lost from dodgy referring. I post actual proof of his losses, then you say I'm wrong and move the conversation to his trainer? DeMarco was done at 25-26 years old? Are your serious?

One of the best? He has never beaten an elite, nor gotten to them when he had the chance. His best win is Campbell. You said Duran losing to the likes of Wilfredo Benitez (showing your ignorance once again) who is close to within the top 20 154 pounders of all time, and is in the top 10 best defensive fighters of all time. Benitez also won world titles in 3 different weight divisions during a time with 8 divisions and same day weigh ins.

Linares's skills and achievements do not come close to Benitez (who was the youngest champion ever in his heyday 17 years old and was a major challenge for the FAB 4 fighting Leonard on only 2 weeks notice and give him hell). Linares would get laid out within the first 2 rounds against any of the FAB 4 if he was their size. Benitez is capable of beating Linares in his prime at the age of 17. This is exactly what I am talking about, complete lack of knowledge of the champions of old. Many of us fans watch fights and careers way before our time and still enjoy them and know what they could do.

Changed man yet gets laid out by Cano with ease same way as Thompson and Salgado? What was different between Cano and his other early knock outs? I said he cannot hide his weakness, doesn't matter how good you are if you can get tagged with big shots and lack the punch resistance to weather it. Cano was stepping forward, lunging in without his feet fully planted and that was all that was needed. Although Cano is a big puncher, still.

Only thing he could have done is adopt a style like Wlad. Loma can hit hard, but he never fully commits with wide looping haymakers. Prime Linares gets tagged with a big shot from M.Garcia/R.Garcia/G Davis/Gamboa/Uchiyama/Takashi Miura and many more and he is out cold.


Skilled inside boxers that charge him and are big punchers will lay him out every time. He does not have the elite defense to hide his weakness, his weakness being his chin that simple. Tommy Hearns also had average punch resistance, but offset it with insane reach, power, speed and a killer jab (same day weigh ins and moved up to LHW also so no not a weight bully). Duran is in Steward's top 10 list best fighters of all time.

[Sp0rty Cr@ig]

African American fans root for their own, just like any other erhnicity except maybe white americans. Im sure Ukrainian boxing channels root for Loma, Usyk, Klitschkos as much or more than this guy roots for PBC fighters. Floyd made a career out of mexicans rooting for their own against him. Nationalism is strong in sports.

[Cypocryphy]

Wrong? First you said he lost from dodgy referring. I post actual proof of his losses, then you say I'm wrong and move the conversation to his trainer? DeMarco was done at 25-26 years old? Are your serious?

See ... this is why I wonder why I even entertain these conversation with people who don't even know what they **** they are talking about. Demarco was 33 when he fought Broner. And after the Broner loss, he went on to lose six more fights out of 10 fights before he retired. If you don't know what you are talking about, it's best to keep quiet.

One of the best? He has never beaten an elite, nor gotten to them when he had the chance. His best win is Campbell. You said Duran losing to the likes of Wilfredo Benitez (showing your ignorance once again) who is close to within the top 20 154 pounders of all time, and is in the top 10 best defensive fighters of all time. Benitez also won world titles in 3 different weight divisions during a time with 8 divisions and same day weigh ins.

I don't even know why you are bringing up Duran and Benitez here. What's the point? It's not even relevant to the discussion. I also said that when Duran moved up in weight, he began to suffer losses. That's why I had mentioned Duran and Benitez. I never compared Linares to Duran, especially not in the sense that you are trying to make it sound.

Linares's skills and achievements do not come close to Benitez (who was the youngest champion ever in his heyday 17 years old and was a major challenge for the FAB 4 fighting Leonard on only 2 weeks notice and give him hell). Linares would get laid out within the first 2 rounds against any of the FAB 4 if he was their size. Benitez is capable of beating Linares in his prime at the age of 17. This is exactly what I am talking about, complete lack of knowledge of the champions of old. Many of us fans watch fights and careers way before our time and still enjoy them and know what they could do.

I think you are arguing in bad faith right now. I never said Linares was equal to the legendary Benitez. What I am saying is that Linares is better than many give him credit for. The loss to Demarco was unfortunate because of Linares having the worst cut man ever, and then the loss to Sergio was absurd because I've seen a hundred fights where the cut was much worse and the doctor let the fight continue.

But the point I was making was that once Linares teamed up with Ismael Salas, he looked unstoppable. He suffered some losses, then teamed up with Salas and had ten or more wins in a row. The moment he left Salas (which was for the Lomachenko fight) he starts to lose again. And the point I'm making is that he really is a fantastic fighter but made some unfortunate decisions in his career. But I am not comparing him to Benetiz. Where you got that from I have no idea.

Changed man yet gets laid out by Cano with ease same way as Thompson and Salgado? What was different between Cano and his other early knock outs? I said he cannot hide his weakness, doesn't matter how good you are if you can get tagged with big shots and lack the punch resistance to weather it. Cano was stepping forward, lunging in without his feet fully planted and that was all that was needed. Although Cano is a big puncher, still.

Yeah. He left Salas at that point and began training himself, so he went back to his old ways. Not everyone can keep going up in weight. He had already campaigned at three different weight classes.

Only thing he could have done is adopt a style like Wlad. Loma can hit hard, but he never fully commits with wide looping haymakers. Prime Linares gets tagged with a big shot from M.Garcia/R.Garcia/G Davis/Gamboa/Uchiyama/Takashi Miura and many more and he is out cold.

Like I said, when you have a good trainer in your corner, it can make all the difference in the world. Salas had corrected that mistake. Yes, he was getting hit with overhand rights all the time, until he teamed up with Salas. Linares' mistake was to think he knew how to train himself. When he fought Haney, he had his brother in his corner. I assume he just didn't want to spend the money on a trainer at that point. I don't know what the story is.

Skilled inside boxers that charge him and are big punchers will lay him out every time. He does not have the elite defense to hide his weakness, his weakness being his chin that simple. Tommy Hearns also had average punch resistance, but offset it with insane reach, power, speed and a killer jab (same day weigh ins and moved up to LHW also so no not a weight bully). Duran is in Steward's top 10 list best fighters of all time.

There's some truth to that, but I still think you are selling Linares short here. And it's not just I who think highly of Linares but many in the business do too.

[PistolPat]

See ... this is why I wonder why I even entertain these conversation with people who don't even know what they **** they are talking about. Demarco was 33 when he fought Broner. And after the Broner loss, he went on to lose six more fights out of 10 fights before he retired. If you don't know what you are talking about, it's best to keep quiet.



I don't even know why you are bringing up Duran and Benitez here. What's the point? It's not even relevant to the discussion. I also said that when Duran moved up in weight, he began to suffer losses. That's why I had mentioned Duran and Benitez. I never compared Linares to Duran, especially not in the sense that you are trying to make it sound.



I think you are arguing in bad faith right now. I never said Linares was equal to the legendary Benitez. What I am saying is that Linares is better than many give him credit for. The loss to Demarco was unfortunate because of Linares having the worst cut man ever, and then the loss to Sergio was absurd because I've seen a hundred fights where the cut was much worse and the doctor let the fight continue.

But the point I was making was that once Linares teamed up with Ismael Salas, he looked unstoppable. He suffered some losses, then teamed up with Salas and had ten or more wins in a row. The moment he left Salas (which was for the Lomachenko fight) he starts to lose again. And the point I'm making is that he really is a fantastic fighter but made some unfortunate decisions in his career. But I am not comparing him to Benetiz. Where you got that from I have no idea.



Yeah. He left Salas at that point and began training himself, so he went back to his old ways. Not everyone can keep going up in weight. He had already campaigned at three different weight classes.


Like I said, when you have a good trainer in your corner, it can make all the difference in the world. Salas had corrected that mistake. Yes, he was getting hit with overhand rights all the time, until he teamed up with Salas. Linares' mistake was to think he knew how to train himself. When he fought Haney, he had his brother in his corner. I assume he just didn't want to spend the money on a trainer at that point. I don't know what the story is.



There's some truth to that, but I still think you are selling Linares short here. And it's not just I who think highly of Linares but many in the business do too.

You said he got 2 bad ref losses when he got flattened which is even worst than me. So don't talk. My whole point is people are trying to put Loma on a pedestal and already talks of him being best 135 pounder of all time. He has one of the most complex styles of boxing ever seen in the ring, no doubt. But he needs the wins to back the eye test.

He (Duran) lost to the likes of Benitez, came off as if you implied Benitez is not that great of a fighter. I am basing Linares on his opponent. Do you have any idea how many people picked Campbell in the boxing community and would laugh when people said Garcia would KO him and bam.

People can talk about how good Linares's skill is all they want, how unstoppable he is but you are only as good as your opponent. Many boxers have gone on and done the same thing against lesser opponents. Campbell is his signature win, that's the problem and yes I know he looked great against Loma. And for your information, I rate Linares better than Haney even though he lost, I know Linares is at the tail end. As for Haney, I see it LOL don't you worry.

Loma has Garcia/Haney/Kambosos/Davis that would raise his resume considerably, and people finally can brag about his skills because he has a string of quality wins against various styles. But getting them in the ring is another story. He also threw away, way too many rounds against Lopez.