How would a fight between prime Lara/Sweet Pea go against prime Floyd?

[kushking]

Whitaker is a very aggressive fighter, his output was very high, he fought in the pocket more so than he did on the back foot.

To say Whitaker “barely threw anything” is literally one of the most asinine and flat out wrong statements I’ve ever seen on his site.

Lara on the other hand is the total opposite. Has a classic Cuban style, Throws 1 punch at time, very slow paced, no inside game what so ever.

They have almost no similarities as fighters outside of being southpaws.

calm down there

Whitaker was not an aggressive/come forward fighter by any means,(yes he had much higher volume than Lara,but he was the definition of a fighter that lived going backwards(albeit fighting backwards,so yes I misspoke,but pt remains,he was the definition of as pure a defensive fighter as they come

(just like Lara,of course they fight differently

(like any other 2 fighters of different sizes/divisions,etc.(its like no sht they warent identical,no 2 fighters are,but they are both fighters known far more for their defense as opposed to offense (which is why many thought a draw was fair v JCC, because Whitaker fought backwards)

[IronDanHamza]

calm down there

Whitaker was not an aggressive/come forward fighter by any means,(yes he had much higher volume than Lara,but he was the definition of a fighter that lived going backwards(albeit fighting backwards,so yes I misspoke,but pt remains,he was the definition of as pure a defensive fighter as they come

(just like Lara,of course they fight differently

(like any other 2 fighters of different sizes/divisions,etc.(its like no sht they warent identical,no 2 fighters are,but they are both fighters known far more for their defense as opposed to offense (which is why many thought a draw was fair v JCC, because Whitaker fought backwards)

Firstly, barely anyone thought a draw was fair against Chavez and the vast majority of people felt Whitaker won clearly. He dominated Chavez on the inside and threw over 150 punches more than Chavez.

Secondly, you said “Whitaker barely threw any punches” which is so far from the truth it’s ridiculous. It’s legitimate let one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on a boxing forum. It’s flat out wrong, all you need to do is watch any of Pernell Whitaker’s fights to see that he has a very high output.

Thirdly, you are putting “aggressive” and “come forward” together as if they are simultaneous, they’re not.


Whitaker wasn’t “come forward” fighter, although there were many occasions that he would fight on the front foot and back up his opponent, and be the aggressor. But what he was, was aggressive, whether he was on the back foot, in the pocket, or on the front foot, he was always aggressive and always throwing punches. He was much more prevalent in the pocket as opposed to the backfoot anyway.

Lara fights nothing like this, he never fights in the pocket ever. There’s almost nothing at all alike between these two fighters, they don’t fight the same at all.

It’s a poor comparison.

[kushking]

Firstly, barely anyone thought a draw was fair against Chavez and the vast majority of people felt Whitaker won clearly. He dominated Chavez on the inside and threw over 150 punches more than Chavez.

Secondly, you said “Whitaker barely threw any punches” which is so far from the truth it’s ridiculous. It’s legitimate let one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on a boxing forum. It’s flat out wrong, all you need to do is watch any of Pernell Whitaker’s fights to see that he has a very high output.

Thirdly, you are putting “aggressive” and “come forward” together as if they are simultaneous, they’re not.


Whitaker wasn’t “come forward” fighter, although there were many occasions that he would fight on the front foot and back up his opponent, and be the aggressor. But what he was, was aggressive, whether he was on the back foot, in the pocket, or on the front foot, he was always aggressive and always throwing punches. He was much more prevalent in the pocket as opposed to the backfoot anyway.

Lara fights nothing like this, he never fights in the pocket ever. There’s almost nothing at all alike between these two fighters, they don’t fight the same at all.

It’s a poor comparison.

I'm not even going to argue with you man, I'm just going to post some vids here & let you rewatch Whitaker v JCC(yes Whitaker won,but regardless of bs compubox it was a close fight ffs)

,but ppl make it seem like the fight wasn't close at all)(I'm going to rewatch it later because it's been many yrs since I seen it)

I will just say its laughable how defensive you get over me saying the long accepted obvious truth that Whitaker went backwards the entire fight v JCC(his biggest fight,which says it all)

Notice what these fights have in common?(both Lara/Whitaker barely took a step forward the entire fight) I find it hilarious that you can't admit that.

Ps,of course Sweet Pea was able to fight backwards better & threw more because he was an overall better fighter than Lara in his prime(relative to his size)(lara is a chicken) doesn't change that they were both completely backwards moving fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not even going to argue with you man, I'm just going to post some vids here & let you rewatch Whitaker v JCC(yes Whitaker won,but regardless of bs compubox it was a close fight ffs)

,but ppl make it seem like the fight wasn't close at all)(I'm going to rewatch it later because it's been many yrs since I seen it)

I will just say its laughable how defensive you get over me saying the long accepted obvious truth that Whitaker went backwards the entire fight v JCC(his biggest fight,which says it all)

Notice what these fights have in common?(both Lara/Whitaker barely took a step forward the entire fight) I find it hilarious that you can't admit that.

Ps,of course Sweet Pea was able to fight backwards better & threw more because he was an overall better fighter than Lara in his prime(relative to his size)(lara is a chicken) doesn't change that they were both completely backwards moving fighters.

You literally said Whitaker barely threw any punches man It’s a totally absurd notion.

He threw over 150 more punches than Chavez, he fought on the back foot and the pocket, got the better of him in both areas.

I’ve never disputed Whitaker fights off the backfoot, he does. He’s a versatile, master boxer. He also fights in the pocket a lot, he also did his fair share of walking guys down.

You’re now saying they fight the same because they both fight off the backfoot. Loads of fighters fight off the back foot. Zab Judah fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, Micheal Nunn fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, could go on all day. It’s the equivalent of saying all these fighters fight alike.

Zab Judah, Micheal Nunn, Pernell Whitaker and Lara all have one thing in common, they’re southpaws, pretty much nothing else.

Lara fights nothing like Whitaker. I’d say Whitaker and Lara are probably the least alike from those 4 southpaws I listed. Their styles are totally different.

[kushking]

You literally said Whitaker barely threw any punches man It’s a totally absurd notion.

He threw over 150 more punches than Chavez, he fought on the back foot and the pocket, got the better of him in both areas.

I’ve never disputed Whitaker fights off the backfoot, he does. He’s a versatile, master boxer. He also fights in the pocket a lot, he also did his fair share of walking guys down.

You’re now saying they fight the same because they both fight off the backfoot. Loads of fighters fight off the back foot. Zab Judah fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, Micheal Nunn fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, could go on all day. It’s the equivalent of saying all these fighters fight alike.

Zab Judah, Micheal Nunn, Pernell Whitaker and Lara all have one thing in common, they’re southpaws, pretty much nothing else.

Lara fights nothing like Whitaker. I’d say Whitaker and Lara are probably the least alike from those 4 southpaws I listed. Their styles are totally different.

Bro I already said in the post above that I misspoke for saying he barely throws anything (the fact you keep harping on about it says you know im right in what I was getting at(that both Lara/Whitaker were fighters who rarely ever take a step forward (unless its against inferior opposition)

We can argue semantic opinion bs til we're blue in the face, doesn't make anything I've said not true(you were trying to make it seem like Whitaker wasn't a 100% defensive 1st minded fighter just like Lara(& you were getting all agro about my saying that the JCC fight was close(because fights are scored rd by rd & Pea had a few rds where he had a huge disparity in shots landed,but in other rds they were very close)

Just play both fights above at same time, you'll see that Lara resembles Whitaker in certain ways(which my op shows is all I originally said)

In boxing when a guy like Ggg was plowing through scrubs,it was often said he fights like JCC(even though ggg didn't have a fraction of the body work of JCC,& was far less aggressive,the same thing goes for defensive wizards which Lara/Pea were, they have as similar a style as it gets in boxing(regardless if Pea threw more,he still fought similar to Lara in his defense minded style where neither ever goes forward v elites)

[kushking]

You literally said Whitaker barely threw any punches man It’s a totally absurd notion.

He threw over 150 more punches than Chavez, he fought on the back foot and the pocket, got the better of him in both areas.

I’ve never disputed Whitaker fights off the backfoot, he does. He’s a versatile, master boxer. He also fights in the pocket a lot, he also did his fair share of walking guys down.

You’re now saying they fight the same because they both fight off the backfoot. Loads of fighters fight off the back foot. Zab Judah fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, Micheal Nunn fights off the back foot a lot, he’s also a southpaw, could go on all day. It’s the equivalent of saying all these fighters fight alike.

Zab Judah, Micheal Nunn, Pernell Whitaker and Lara all have one thing in common, they’re southpaws, pretty much nothing else.

Lara fights nothing like Whitaker. I’d say Whitaker and Lara are probably the least alike from those 4 southpaws I listed. Their styles are totally different.

After playing both flights at same time its even more amazing how similar these fights looked than I thought,they look VERY similar in many ways down to boths southpaw stance & how they fight,but Pea was just far more entertaining to watch & better imho,& he actually fought to win not just spoil like Lara

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Lara is nowhere near Sweet Peas level, it’s an insult to group them together.

[kushking]

Lara is nowhere near Sweet Peas level, it’s an insult to group them together.

Yeah but this thread was in reference to fighting Floyd,Lara is bigger than Pea,he has advantages that Pea didn't have,he is 5'9" with a 75" reach,to Peas 5'6" 69" reach(when Whitaker was in his prime he fought at lw-ww,when Lara was in his prime he was at jmw.

Lara also plays spoiler instead of matrix backwards fighting like Sweet Pea.

[IronDanHamza]

Bro I already said in the post above that I misspoke for saying he barely throws anything (the fact you keep harping on about it says you know im right in what I was getting at(that both Lara/Whitaker were fighters who rarely ever take a step forward (unless its against inferior opposition)

We can argue semantic opinion bs til we're blue in the face, doesn't make anything I've said not true(you were trying to make it seem like Whitaker wasn't a 100% defensive 1st minded fighter just like Lara(& you were getting all agro about my saying that the JCC fight was close(because fights are scored rd by rd & Pea had a few rds where he had a huge disparity in shots landed,but in other rds they were very close)

Just play both fights above at same time, you'll see that Lara resembles Whitaker in certain ways(which my op shows is all I originally said)

In boxing when a guy like Ggg was plowing through scrubs,it was often said he fights like JCC(even though ggg didn't have a fraction of the body work of JCC,& was far less aggressive,the same thing goes for defensive wizards which Lara/Pea were, they have as similar a style as it gets in boxing(regardless if Pea threw more,he still fought similar to Lara in his defense minded style where neither ever goes forward v elites)

I didn’t see you correct yourself about the fact you claimed he barely threw any punches.

GGG is about as much like Chavez as Lara is like Whitaker.

That’s two examples of polar opposite fighters.

Lara and Whitaker’s style is not similar at all. It’s really not.

Whitaker’s style is totally different to the classic Cuban style like Lara’s.

The same way GGG’s style is absolutely nothing like Chavez’s systematic, inside working, break you down style

[kushking]

I didn’t see you correct yourself about the fact you claimed he barely threw any punches.

GGG is about as much like Chavez as Lara is like Whitaker.

That’s two examples of polar opposite fighters.

Lara and Whitaker’s style is not similar at all. It’s really not.

Whitaker’s style is totally different to the classic Cuban style like Lara’s.

The same way GGG’s style is absolutely nothing like Chavez’s systematic, inside working, break you down style

Bro, can't you just admit theres similarities between them? If you don't think there is,then surely you can't name any examples in the history of boxing where 2 fighters from different eras/divisions resemble each other, because as I said no 2 boxers are alike completely,but theres similarities & I just watched both fights side by side,they are as similar as it gets in boxing when 2 guys are different sizes, from different divisions.