GTFOH! uncertainty? Really, Haymon and PBC where the ones w/t a $500 mil investment by Waddell and Reed and a stable of fighters. Oscar & GBP was the uncertain commodity w/t only two known names left on his stable w/t Canelo and Lucas Mathysse. Yet, Oscar was still able to leverage that to a new HBO deal. While your boy Schaefer was black balled by Uncle Al himself, LOL. Again, Schaefer has been an utter failure since he was ousted from Golden Boy not only has his promotion gone under dude is working w/t drug cartel to stay in the business.
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blackballed by haymon? lol...he had a non compete as part of the split with golden boy....FOH....are you really this dumb? .....golden boy was the best its ever been when schaeffer was running it...its a failure right now....those are facts...his company hinges on ortiz and garcia....could go well...also might not.......its not disputable that schaeffer helped build canelo and the link i posted proved you were dead wrong about canelo being at some "all time low" after losing to floyd.....everything you speak its utter rubbish
GTFOH! uncertainty? Really, Haymon and PBC where the ones w/t a $500 mil investment by Waddell and Reed and a stable of fighters. Oscar & GBP was the uncertain commodity w/t only two known names left on his stable w/t Canelo and Lucas Mathysse. Yet, Oscar was still able to leverage that to a new HBO deal. While your boy Schaefer was black balled by Uncle Al himself, LOL. Again, Schaefer has been an utter failure since he was ousted from Golden Boy not only has his promotion gone under dude is working w/t drug cartel to stay in the business.
schaeffer handed oscar canelo on a platter...and all oscar did was **** it up! thats all oscar does!Comment
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If I can find a rainbow, I close one eye, tilt my head and just when the planets in perfect alignment...I can see your point of view through the rainbow .
is oscar stepped back id feel better about golden boy...hes done nothing good when he puts his prints on stuff.....he alienated canelo and lost him....he didnt even have to do anything because schaeffer, in part because of his relationship with haymon, had already begun the ascent to stardom...schaeffer did most of the real work getting that started and oscar came in as it was unfolding....then he lost him......oscar isnt stable and that should require no further proof than all of his nonsense talk of coming back and wanting to get into these trendy farce fights......hes already beefed on social media with ry and its probably only a matter of time before that erupts into something bigger....whether is oscar wanting a real tough fight for ry and ry not wanting it...or ry wanting a real tough fight and oscar not wanting it......GB has alot riding on ry and him becoming the next oscar or something similar.....if he gets knocked early its not good for any of them.....which is why you saw ry talking all that stuff on facetime with tank on tysons show but not really wanting it and knowing it wasnt going to happen anyway.....i dont dislike ry either....but oscar just isnt good at this part of the boxing game/business....hes just not....he hasnt done anything noteworthy with anyone ..unless you couldnt alienating the top star in boxing and losing him
Unfortunately you just can't count on those rainbows and that's why nobody else can see it like you do.
Curt, I'm sorry but your post isn't a point of view as much as it is rewriting history.Comment
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no its factual....there are just dumb, ignoramuses, such as yourself who will never admit that schaeffer and haymon did more for canelos career than oscar ever did....they handed oscar canelo on a platter and he ****ed it up...its plain and simple...easy to see...but when you have an agenda you put your glasses on and cant see anything but the darkness...a monkey could have guided canelos career after the way schaeffer set it up...
If I can find a rainbow, I close one eye, tilt my head and just when the planets in perfect alignment...I can see your point of view through the rainbow .
Unfortunately you just can't count on those rainbows and that's why nobody else can see it like you do.
Curt, I'm sorry but your post isn't a point of view as much as it is rewriting history.Comment
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Again you are revisiting history in an attempt to rewrite it.
blackballed by haymon? lol...he had a non compete as part of the split with golden boy....FOH....are you really this dumb? .....golden boy was the best its ever been when schaeffer was running it...its a failure right now....those are facts...his company hinges on ortiz and garcia....could go well...also might not.......its not disputable that schaeffer helped build canelo and the link i posted proved you were dead wrong about canelo being at some "all time low" after losing to floyd.....everything you speak its utter rubbish
schaeffer handed oscar canelo on a platter...and all oscar did was **** it up! thats all oscar does!
Yes, Richard Schaefer was Oscars manager and then CEO and yes he was able to leverage his relationship with De La Hoya to sign a deal on HBO that locked Goldenboy the business into dates that no other company could match. Schaefer structured deals like Al Haymon, he was an attorney that behind the scenes would negotiate contracts but he never promoted anything or built a single superstar. Schaefer was a contract negotiator that used Oscar to build a company not a fighter and there in lay the difference. The key in all of this is Oscar De La Hoya. Nobody, including HBO signed with Schaefer, they signed with De La Hoya because he was the money. After Arum, Oscar is arguably the most successful superstar maker and only rivaled by Floyd.
Look at the facts:
Floyd's purse went up 250% and didn't make double digits until after fighting Oscar. Pacman never made more than a 3 million before Oscar. The common denominator is Oscar and mass appeal and financial clout. Like him or not, Oscar was a marketing machine and he built Canelo into what he is and he'll build Ortiz and Garcia both into mega stars if they stay with him long enough. That said, Oscar is NOT a Messiah and he is not cheap. Like Bob Arum Oscar's star making comes with a hefty price tag but his ability to promote is undeniable.Last edited by factsarenice; 11-12-2021, 12:51 PM.Comment
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Bruh, that no complete clause ended August 2015, LOL. Even after it ended uncle Al still choose to go w/t Tom Brown as his main promoter only throwing scraps to Schaefer once every blue moon. As for Golden Boy Oscar’s Top 2 building blocks Vergil and Ryan are already pulling more fans than any other 23 yrs olds to their events. Just watch Oscar turn Vergil Ortiz into the next face of boxing just like he did Canelo while Schaefer runs another promotional company down the drain
blackballed by haymon? lol...he had a non compete as part of the split with golden boy....FOH....are you really this dumb? .....golden boy was the best its ever been when schaeffer was running it...its a failure right now....those are facts...his company hinges on ortiz and garcia....could go well...also might not.......its not disputable that schaeffer helped build canelo and the link i posted proved you were dead wrong about canelo being at some "all time low" after losing to floyd.....everything you speak its utter rubbish
schaeffer handed oscar canelo on a platter...and all oscar did was **** it up! thats all oscar does!Comment
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Schaefer was a businessman, he built Goldenboy THE COMPANY off of Oscars mass appeal, stardom and financial clout. Al Haymon is and always was just a manager that has never promoted anything including Canelo...ever. Today, still, as a manager Al Haymon has a contract lock on a network that he uses to attract fighters and keep them in line. Al Haymon and Richard Schaefer never built or promoted into existence a superstar in their lives.
no its factual....there are just dumb, ignoramuses, such as yourself who will never admit that schaeffer and haymon did more for canelos career than oscar ever did....they handed oscar canelo on a platter and he ****ed it up...its plain and simple...easy to see...but when you have an agenda you put your glasses on and cant see anything but the darkness...a monkey could have guided canelos career after the way schaeffer set it up...
If you don't get that you either naive or you simply refuse to believe anything that doesn't match your cult worshiping narrative.
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lol...you are so clueless its sad.....the fact that you tried to say canelo was down in the dumps after floyd and at some all time low tells me everything...you have 0 credibilty and i showed you how wrong you are.....why do you think there was a non compete? lol.....did anyone actually think schaeffer was going to come back from that and start some monster promotional outfit from scratch? no...but for some reason you think that because he didnt thats proof...when the odds of schaeffer becoming a top promotional company on his own was always zero to none.....its the same old tired story with fgts like you and "f@g$arenice"...just a couple of haymon haters that are mad and upset and what haymon and floyd were able to accomplish

Bruh, that no complete clause ended August 2015, LOL. Even after it ended uncle Al still choose to go w/t Tom Brown as his main promoter only throwing scraps to Schaefer once every blue moon. As for Golden Boy Oscar’s Top 2 building blocks Vergil and Ryan are already pulling more fans than any other 23 yrs olds to their events. Just watch Oscar turn Vergil Ortiz into the next face of boxing just like he did Canelo while Schaefer runs another promotional company down the drain
everyone in the world knows oscar did nothing with canelo...except lose him....the canelo that schaeffer turned over to oscar could have had his career run by an actual monkey and still have had it be what its been....FOHComment
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theres a difference between oscar making a star by fighting him...and oscar making a star in his company without fighting him....understand that and understand what im talking about...im not talking about oscar making floyd and manny stars because he fought them...im talking about him taking a fighter from scratch and making them a star under his guidance
Again you are revisiting history in an attempt to rewrite it.
Yes, Richard Schaefer was Oscars manager and then CEO and yes he was able to leverage his relationship with De La Hoya to sign a deal on HBO that locked Goldenboy the business into dates that no other company could match. Schaefer structured deals like Al Haymon, he was an attorney that behind the scenes would negotiate contracts but he never promoted anything or built a single superstar. Schaefer was a contract negotiator that used Oscar to build a company not a fighter and there in lay the difference. The key in all of this is Oscar De La Hoya. Nobody, including HBO signed with Schaefer, they signed with De La Hoya because he was the money. After Arum, Oscar is arguably the most successful superstar maker and only rivaled by Floyd.
Look at the facts:
Floyd's purse went up 250% and didn't make double digits until after fighting Oscar. Pacman never made more than a 3 million before Oscar. The common denominator is Oscar and mass appeal and financial clout. Like him or not, Oscar was a marketing machine and he built Canelo into what he is and he'll build Ortiz and Garcia both into mega stars if they stay with him long enough. That said, Oscar is NOT a Messiah and he is not cheap. Like Bob Arum Oscar's star making comes with a hefty price tag but his ability to promote is undeniable.Comment
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