Comments Thread For: Canelo Alvarez Knocks Caleb Plant Out in Eleventh, Becomes Undisputed at 168

[TreyShaw]

"Honestly? Forget how many rounds were won by whoever. The bottom line is Canelo looks horrible. And he has for a while. His power eventually bails him out. Imagine what a Roy Jones Jr. in his prime at 168 would've done to Canelo? Or even if Hagler moved up 8 lbs. Canelo fights all these British guys, Khan, Smith, Saunders, etc. Now Plant(USA). I've been watching boxing for over 50 yrs and Canelo, in my view, is very ordinary. What he is, is a decent boxer, with a great chin and good power. He's very fortunate he doesn't have to deal with " greats " in their prime. It is what it is, he's the best of a bad bunch. It's not his fault. He was fighting tougher fighters years ago. Now he's just collecting paper belts that look great on the resume." - Posted by Breeto80

I don't really agree, but I respect your opinion, and you make a reasonable, valid point.

The greatest thing about Canelo is his dedication to his craft, he is a genuine student of the sport. He is blessed with a granite chin, and a good solid muscular frame, so those are inherently natural advantages.

His worst M.O. is when he became the Floyd Mayweather Jr of the sport, building himself up as boxing sweepstakes/lottery, and many of his former fights he used every Mayweather-type negotiation trick in the book to gain the greatest advantage - some are considered ethical, others not so much.

The way he negotiated the ChavezJr, Kovalev fights were unfair, and lets not forget how much chaos he caused in the MW division with his shenanigans, positive Clenbuterol test, demanding every penny of his 365 million dollars, 11 fight deal despite a pandemic going on.

The way he treated ODLH who helped to secure that deal wasn't very gentlemanly, although I've heard Oscar can be difficult when he's off the wagon.

Ultimately I think he's a great fighter, the most improved, is entertaining to watch, obviously a very shrewd businessman, but what he does from now to retirement will weight heavily on his legacy.

As to how he would fair against prime versions of RJJ, James Toney, Jermain Taylor, Hopkins, SRL, and a host of others is a difficult call as I haven't figured out whether Canelo is the type of fighter who rises to his level of opposition, or fights every opponent the same way.

Did Floyd look “horrible” to you when he snoozed past Berto and went life and death with a crude brawler in Maidana.

Did Roy look horrible when he struggled against journeyman Montell griffin in the first fight or Merqui Sosa?

Canelo is a proven all time great and is looking like a murdered.

[Johnny_Roa]

"Honestly? Forget how many rounds were won by whoever. The bottom line is Canelo looks horrible. And he has for a while. His power eventually bails him out. Imagine what a Roy Jones Jr. in his prime at 168 would've done to Canelo? Or even if Hagler moved up 8 lbs. Canelo fights all these British guys, Khan, Smith, Saunders, etc. Now Plant(USA). I've been watching boxing for over 50 yrs and Canelo, in my view, is very ordinary. What he is, is a decent boxer, with a great chin and good power. He's very fortunate he doesn't have to deal with " greats " in their prime. It is what it is, he's the best of a bad bunch. It's not his fault. He was fighting tougher fighters years ago. Now he's just collecting paper belts that look great on the resume." - Posted by Breeto80

I don't really agree, but I respect your opinion, and you make a reasonable, valid point.

The greatest thing about Canelo is his dedication to his craft, he is a genuine student of the sport. He is blessed with a granite chin, and a good solid muscular frame, so those are inherently natural advantages.

His worst M.O. is when he became the Floyd Mayweather Jr of the sport, building himself up as boxing sweepstakes/lottery, and many of his former fights he used every Mayweather-type negotiation trick in the book to gain the greatest advantage - some are considered ethical, others not so much.

The way he negotiated the ChavezJr, Kovalev fights were unfair, and lets not forget how much chaos he caused in the MW division with his shenanigans, positive Clenbuterol test, demanding every penny of his 365 million dollars, 11 fight deal despite a pandemic going on.

The way he treated ODLH who helped to secure that deal wasn't very gentlemanly, although I've heard Oscar can be difficult when he's off the wagon.

Ultimately I think he's a great fighter, the most improved, is entertaining to watch, obviously a very shrewd businessman, but what he does from now to retirement will weight heavily on his legacy.

As to how he would fair against prime versions of RJJ, James Toney, Jermain Taylor, Hopkins, SRL, and a host of others is a difficult call as I haven't figured out whether Canelo is the type of fighter who rises to his level of opposition, or fights every opponent the same way.

Some red flags on his resume and trash fights like the one against Angulo, that dude did not knew how to throw a fight and make it believable.

[TreyShaw]

It's pathetic that people keep stay by the side of a cheater, of a team cheater and a trainer who has the nerve to show his face like a honest man. His team is so full of PEDS that Lance Armstrong would become read. GGG is able to take all his best shots, got robbed and after that Canelo got a suspension fight the rematch and what a surprise he became Hulk after that, what is wrong with some people is a mistery to me,......use your brain, be real not a bandwagon.

Here we go with you sad pathetic little people.

Floyd was a legit cheat go cry about that because no one has been tested more than Canelo in boxing today.

[John Locke]

Canelo is a bad, bad man. The most complete fighter in the world right now, he can do it all. Plant fought well too so props to him as well, Canelo just wore him down.

I'm really intrigued to see who Canelo fights next, it's hard to see him losing below 175.

[TreyShaw]

Canelo is a bad, bad man. The most complete fighter in the world right now, he can do it all. Plant fought well too so props to him as well, Canelo just wore him down.

I'm really intrigued to see who Canelo fights next, it's hard to see him losing below 175.

Honestly plant has nothing to be ashamed of I would like to see him with Charlo and David

[Freedef]

6-2 plant. Robbery incoming

[ruedboy]

But duh, it was historic.

[TreyShaw]

Hahah what the heck was that Looze guy watching?

[GBP4LIFE]

What an absolute bore of a fight

[Flabble Scrote]

I really enjoyed that, Plant showed a lot of skill, his judgement of space was great he made Alvarez miss quite a lot and anticipated his shots until the body shots slowed him