Cotto is already a Hall of Famer, will beating Pacquiao catapult him to ATG top 100 ?

[-Antonio-]

Whats so great about beating Margarito? Williams beat him very clearly, Santos beat him, and Mosley destroyed him. Cotto was a 2-1 favorite for a reason, almost everyone expected a Cotto win and he couldn't do it.

Also Winky Wright is a formadible oppoenent and gave Hopkins a good fight. P Will dominated him for 12 rounds. A feat Cotto is yet to accomplish againsta top fighter. You think Williams would arguable lose to Clottey or get TKOed by Margarito?

I don't think he's that great. I think he's a good Champ barring all controversy.

You have to put the win at the time in proper perspective though. if he would have won I mean. It would have meant he moved up in weight and cleaned out a very good division in less than 18 months. Remember that was when Williams had just been outclassed and Floyd refused to fight him. 5 of the fighters in the top 7 beaten in 18 months. That's why.

Winky gave Hopkins a tough fight two years prior. and he still lost that fight 116-112 on my card anyway.

[kadyo's]

I agree that miguel angel has a resume' that guarantees him the HOF status but I don't think beating pac will bring to top 100 atg.

[savorduhflavor]

Pink is right.....the HOF isn't that hard to get into. He'll be remembered as one of the best WW in a golden age of WW's, and providing exciting fights, and he'll probably get in.

But he's got a lot of work to do to be an ATG, people are getting wayyyy ahead of themselves.

I agree with Bully when he says Cotto needs a real career defining victory. If he demolishes Pac, I don't think it's enough cause of the size difference.

He needs to beat Pac, and if he beats Floyd convincingly or is the first person to stop Shane or something that, that could get him on there. I just doubt he does it.

[-Antonio-]

Paul's win over Winky Wright is better than Cotto's win over Mosley. And I'm saying this as someone who likes Mosley a lot better than Winky.

Well I disagree. Winky has accomplished nothing at Middleweight in the last 3 years. Nothing. At least Shane dominated a good challenger (Collazo) and destroyed a former Champ in the past couple years.

[WhoreUs]

Whoever said Ruiz have a better Record than Cotto is a straight up idiot!!

Former Champs, or went to be Chmaps Faced

1.Bazan
2.Corley
3.Bailley
4.N'Dou
5.Malignnaggi
6.Torres
7.Quintana
8.Mosely
9.Margarito
10.Clottey
11.Judah
12.Maussa

Top Contenders
Ceballos
Pinto

gold medalist
Abdullaev

john ruiz opponents:

evander holyfield - wbc/wba/ibf heavyweight champion , top 10-20 heavyweight atg
roy jones jr. - wba heavyweight champion , #1 p4p
james toney - top 10 heavyweight , top 10 p4p
hasim rahman - wbc/ibf heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
david tua - top 10 heavyweight
ruslan chagaev - wba heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
nikolay valuev - wba heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
tony tucker - ibf heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
kirk johnson - top 10 heavyweight
fres oquendo - top 10 heavyweight
andrew golota - top 10 heavyweight
jameel mccline - top 10 heavyweight

[C.Y.]

Cotto is a good fighter, but i do not think he is a hall of famer yet. I think he is a few victories away from securing that status

[Pullcounter]

Most of the people who vote for the Hall had Cotto winning close but clear. This thing about the Mosley fight being a robbery is spoken by Cotto haters and Mosely fans only.

I would not go so far as to say it was a robbery as it was a very very close fight, but I do believe that mosley could not win a decision against cotto in MSG.

He doesn't need to fight Shane again.

yes he does

he doesn't even need to beat Margarito again.

yes he does

He just needs to keep racking up wins against good competition.

that wouldn't hurt either

I don't think he'll beat Pac though, so I don't know where he goes from there.

he will beat pac.

he'll probably end up like Forrest, Quartey, Vargas, Castillo, Chico, Casa, etc. - the fighters from the era who deserve to be in the hall of very good.

IMHO forrest, quartey and a pre-tito vargas destroys margo and everyone else on cotto's resume other than mosley and clottey. all those guys would decision clottey. we already know what happened against mosley and forrest. mosley/quartey and mosley/pre-tito vargas would be great fights.

ruiz has WON a belt off a defending champion if that's what you're asking.

yes... that's what i'm asking.

[savorduhflavor]

Well I disagree. Winky has accomplished nothing at Middleweight in the last 3 years. Nothing. At least Shane dominated a good challenger (Collazo) and destroyed a former Champ in the past couple years.

Yupp. And, pretty much no one in the boxing world considers Cotto's win over Shane a controversial win. There are barely any on Bscene even that think Mosley won. So while it wasn't convincing, it was definitely a solid win in a big fight. That's something Quartey and some of the other "very good but not great" guys didn't do.

[Guest]

john ruiz opponents:

evander holyfield - wbc/wba/ibf heavyweight champion , top 10-20 heavyweight atg
roy jones jr. - wba heavyweight champion , #1 p4p
james toney - top 10 heavyweight , top 10 p4p
hasim rahman - wbc/ibf heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
david tua - top 10 heavyweight
ruslan chagaev - wba heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
nikolay valuev - wba heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
tony tucker - ibf heavyweight champion , top 10 heavyweight
kirk johnson - top 10 heavyweight
fres oquendo - top 10 heavyweight
andrew golota - top 10 heavyweight
jameel mccline - top 10 heavyweight

He did fight everyone. Puerto Ricans disown him like they disown Cintron.
He's the most human of all champions (with his gritty, ugly style, and hugging) but I guess people are afraid to see themselves in their own heroes.
Ruiz reminds people too much of themselves (they are like Ruiz, just without his determination).

He really is a good fighter. He's got a real rice right hand and hook and he's pretty cagey. He can be painful to watch but not always.

[-Antonio-]

I just think a close but clear win is good enough to still mean something. Oscar's best two wins were closer than Cotto's win over Mosley.