Comments Thread For: Whyte: Joshua's Problem is With Himself, Not With His Coaches

[Earl-Hickey]

Whyte was knocked down and eating leather and holding on fir dear life , A.J was smiling and bouncing on the ropes to lure Usyk into a punch while getting the less better of the last round ,it’s pretty clear what fight would be stopped sooner . At no time was A.J in trouble where the fight should be stopped , when ? Where can you point out A.J didn’t have his senses at any time to justify a stoppage ? Ha

A.J was not miles behind , he lost the fight within the last 2/ 3 rounds ,the entire one sided thing needs to be stopped . It’s a bit ridiculous the fight was very close it was 113 /115 where the one judge had it right . Look at Usyks face after the fight ,not sure why many posters think it was one direction of punches landing ?

Bro AJ was hanging on for grim death, he collapsed onto his stool immediately after where he remained for about 5 minutes as Usyk celebrated mid ring. I'm not going to spend all day arguing with a guy who is living in la la land, Joshua was far worse off than Whyte who was still actively engaging in combat until the final bell.

[REDEEMER]

Yea exactly. Usyk's face tells the story of a battle, not some one sided easy beating. I think Usyk fought a brilliant fight and his technique and box of tricks are amazing. He is tricky, fast and has a great engine but he also was taking shots that bothered him and he ate lots of jabs. After 8 I had it even and rounds 5-6 (i think) were really good for AJ. It doesn't take much to change the outcome.

One thing I look at in a rematch is who has more room for improvement. I think here it's Joshua. Usyk fought excellent and used his skills to nullify the size difference. He got Joshua to fight his fight. Joshua failed to use strength and size, he failed to take Usyk into uncomfortable areas and failed to interrupt Usyk's gameplan. Now ofc Usyk has a great boxing IQ and he can make adjustments and in that sense he has room for improvement if he adjusts to Joshuas new plan and style. I personally don't think the Chisora style is the answer to beat Usyk. This would mean you have to always put all in against Usyk and hope to get him out before you gas. Sounds like desperation to me. Joshua already fought 9 competitive rounds against him. Usyk can be beat, it's just gonna take a lot more finesse than just full attack until you tire yourself.

All in all the first fight is high quality technical boxing and the second will likely be as well. I just wish there was no rematch, seeing new matchups after all these rematches would be just more entertaining and interesting. But if this fight happens, it will definitely be good boxing. Both fighters respect each others power and try to outsmart each other.

A.J short circuited Usyk briefly with a lead left hook and you saw Usyks legs lose power ,had A.J jumped on him it was probably going to end differently but he has to engage more and make that happen more ,he had one opportunity and will have way more potential to do more of that .

I didn’t really see Usyk having A.J in any trouble,he was more like a nuisance in there where he countered and timed shots perfectly. Can a fighter be perfect twice and against a more determined guy who will still have the power and size over him ? It’s unlikely,I think A.J will once again shut an opponent down on a second try if not knock him out .

[REDEEMER]

Bro AJ was hanging on for grim death, he collapsed onto his stool immediately after where he remained for about 5 minutes as Usyk celebrated mid ring. I'm not going to spend all day arguing with a guy who is living in la la land, Joshua was far worse off than Whyte who was still actively engaging in combat until the final bell.

No he wasn’t he was sticking his tounge out and got the last shot In while Usyk missed well over 5 shots . Whyte literally got knocked down and was on jelly legs .,explain to me how Whyte was in less danger while not having enough to even throw back stumbling into the ropes holding Parker ?

Neither fight would be grounds to stop it , only posters in la land is actually trying to make a case for either one being stopped, but no logical poster can say A.J was in worse condition to a guy getting knocked down and getting hit clean unable to move besides going forward using Greco Roman wrestling holds .

[Roberto Vasquez]

I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good

[The D3vil]

Whyte's one of these guys who's gonna be a wayyy better commentator than he is a fighter after he's retired.

He's way more entertaining outside of the ring than in it.

[NC Uppercut]

I would like to see AJ get with someone like Stephen Breadman Edwards. I feel like that would be a good match over time

[MastaBlasta]

Dillian is right. It's AJ who is doing the fighting and not his coaches or trainers. It all begins and ends with him. In the first Joshua/Usyk meeting it was very clear to almost everyone watching the fight that Anthony Joshua just didn't want it or try hard enough.

He refused to engage or let his hands go. He fought like he was afraid of getting hit by a much smaller and lighter man which is indicative of a shot and ruined fighter.

He is deinitely careful when the bombs are flying, after that shot Ruiz hit him with. Part of me doesn't blame him (AJ). His defense leaves a lot to be desired. He can throw bombs, but he can be hit also. I'm not sure he's ruined ... but I think some time off just training and learning defense is a good idea. It takes time to recover from massive head shots like Ruiz hit him with. As soon as you take a good one your mind/body revert back to the original trauma. He's made tons of money ... a step aside (on the order of what Foreman did after the Ali & Young defeats) is in order. But it won't win him any immediate fans. It will get him a lot of hate and ridicule. But it's probably his best career move for a while ... he's still a young guy. He has time.

[champion4ever]

He is deinitely careful when the bombs are flying, after that shot Ruiz hit him with. Part of me doesn't blame him (AJ). His defense leaves a lot to be desired. He can throw bombs, but he can be hit also. I'm not sure he's ruined ... but I think some time off just training and learning defense is a good idea. It takes time to recover from massive head shots like Ruiz hit him with. As soon as you take a good one your mind/body revert back to the original trauma. He's made tons of money ... a step aside (on the order of what Foreman did after the Ali & Young defeats) is in order. But it won't win him any immediate fans. It will get him a lot of hate and ridicule. But it's probably his best career move for a while ... he's still a young guy. He has time.

Very good post! I agree!

[P4Pdunny]

I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good

all points that i agree with

[KingGilgamesh]

A.J short circuited Usyk briefly with a lead left hook and you saw Usyks legs lose power ,had A.J jumped on him it was probably going to end differently but he has to engage more and make that happen more ,he had one opportunity and will have way more potential to do more of that .

I didn’t really see Usyk having A.J in any trouble,he was more like a nuisance in there where he countered and timed shots perfectly. Can a fighter be perfect twice and against a more determined guy who will still have the power and size over him ? It’s unlikely,I think A.J will once again shut an opponent down on a second try if not knock him out .

REDEEMER ladies and gentleman

The same clown arguing that Fury could just swan off and fight Kabayel this time last year

Your takes are ****ing awful. It annoys me seeing people who haven't been anywhere near a ring try and give their half asked analysis on something you do everyday.

Usyk was given that fight. It was no picture perfect performance on Usyks behalf and Usyk has said that himself. He was troubled in ****ing two rounds where the best being thrown at him was a couple body shots with nothing to follow them up. You speak on power and size and know absolutely nothing about power or size. A skilled opponent won't just allow himself to be walked down, playing the big man in a fight is an art that requires an understanding of leaning, clinching, commitment to a jab and footwork...all things Joshua hasn't shown in a fight in ages now. You HAVE to eat shots and plenty of them in order to find an opening. Everything Jkdhua doesn't have any desire to do. Who has he shut down? A fat Ruiz who he ran away from to a decision? I've spent the better part of a year trying to truly understand effective clinching...its one of the things that truly separates a seasoned and experienced fighter.

**** outta here. Irritates me seeing these gen Zer dumbasses who talk rather than walk. Never been in a gym in their life and think learning aspects of boxing is like buying a skill for your pokemon