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  • REDEEMER
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    Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

    Joshua "dropped" the last three rounds? Or he was barley able to stand and commit to an offence?

    I seriously pity you deluded AJ dicklickers. Literally arguing with common sense snd trying to pretend as if a complete shut out on home score cards towards the away fighter isn't an example of a one sided fight. Hilarious. You're like these weird one direction fans. Do you have AJ posters on your wall or something? Lemme guess if Joshua held his nerve he would have won after round 9...

    The last three rounds decided the fight ,you didn’t really watch it .

    I would say there’s a huge exaggeration about that A.J can’t out box Usyk ,I would say AJs lack of aggression cost him the fight . I think he won quite a few rounds which had to have had him out box Usyk at some points . Most ppl just remember the last round of fights but one who watches the fight a few times pick up on things . I thought it was very close ,I believe A.J can outbox Usyk using a hard long jab and putting enough shots together he would inflict damage where Usyk won’t last an entire fight .


    Usyk probably is the best overall boxer but I’d say Fury and A.J can still out box him using size and their strengths ,A.Js double/ triple jabs and Fury moving out of range on angles would work against Usyk .

    If you stopped being the real fanboy on here you could maybe analyze what takes or took place in a real match not what you wanted to happen ?
    Last edited by REDEEMER; 11-05-2021, 09:47 AM.

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  • Roberto Vasquez
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    Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

    Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.
    I thought I said he boxed very well which he did. No HW can outbox Usyk. That was his mistake. Uysk is on another level boxing wise. AJ came in light and tried to outbox him. But whatever Usyk is likely to still win anyway.

    You probably think Fury having beaten one top 10-guy (who was a brawler) in six years and with his one title defence is well prepared for fighting someone like Usyk. Uysk already had more belts than Fury and he's only been in the division 5 minutes....

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  • KingGilgamesh
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    Originally posted by REDEEMER View Post

    Fury didn’t shut out Wlad that fight was hardly even a reason to declare Fury a dominant guy with no rematch but besides that your comparisons don’t add up as usual .

    You couldn’t see the fight sober if you think it was one sided ,A.J dropped the last 3 rounds and that’s why he lost .
    Joshua "dropped" the last three rounds? Or he was barley able to stand and commit to an offence?

    I seriously pity you deluded AJ dicklickers. Literally arguing with common sense snd trying to pretend as if a complete shut out on home score cards towards the away fighter isn't an example of a one sided fight. Hilarious. You're like these weird one direction fans. Do you have AJ posters on your wall or something? Lemme guess if Joshua held his nerve he would have won after round 9...

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  • REDEEMER
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    Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

    Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.
    Fury didn’t shut out Wlad that fight was hardly even a reason to declare Fury a dominant guy with no rematch but besides that your comparisons don’t add up as usual .

    You couldn’t see the fight sober if you think it was one sided ,A.J dropped the last 3 rounds and that’s why he lost .

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  • KingGilgamesh
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    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

    I disagree with you about Wilder. He's not a great boxer but he's not a bad one either. Fury is supposedly the most elusive HW boxer and even the first fight Wilder landed a ton of punches on him. People ignore that Wilder is very fast for a HW and that everyone knows about his right hand - but he lands it every fight. There is a skill in that

    Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too.

    And England football team has always sucked cos English people are too nice and think about things too much. As soon as they get in a big match that means something they start panicking. We only won the world cup when the overall standard was low and there were just a few top teams. I don't even watch them any more and I won't until they get a ruthless streak on the pitch.
    Joshua went into outbox and did hardly any of it. Didn't commit to even a jab. There was nothing in that performance that could be earmarked as impressive beyond the middle rounds. You can't claim Joshua is a good champion and then claim that shutout was a good performance. It wasn't. It highlighted all his flaws. Kinda like Wlads 2015 performance against Fury.

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  • REDEEMER
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    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
    I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

    What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good
    I can assure you this guy KingGilgamesh watches most fights drinking well over a limit that misconstrues his perception of how fights actually went down .

    “Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too”



    I believe A.J will defeat Usyk and stop him at some point in the rematch for some reasons you stated . It will be an entirely different fight the second one as always with him .
    Last edited by REDEEMER; 10-28-2021, 11:50 AM.

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  • Roberto Vasquez
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    Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post

    No people don't think Wilder is good. He's a ****ing awful boxer with absolutely atrocious fundamentals. The fact that Wilder spent 18 months only to come in the ring with his laughably one dimensional gameplan is testament to his poor skill level.

    Thing is though, Wilder has heart. And heart is admirable. Heart is something seasoned viewer and casual alike can respect. You may not understand footwork, head movement or feints but you can appreciate someone who refuses to stay down. There have been no grand revelations about Wilders skill. He looked as terrible technically as he always done. But his heart and will to win can't be denied. And a division full of questionable talent, its little wonder why people will fancy him against anyone.

    Thing with Joshua is that he has upset both casuals and experienced viewers. He didn't show any heart and he didn't really show any skill either. That's why people think he's poor. Being outboxed and KOed is forgivable. Many people wrote Joshua off in his first defeat but many also didn't. This time though, to treat this fight as something you can just pick back up on a second outing...will have left a sour taste in many mouths. It reminds me of the England team circa 2010 compared to now. The mid naughties England team was chock full of superstar talent and one of the best forwards in the world. But they were hated, why? Because they would treat ****ing Euros and world cups about as significantly as they would a premiership derby. Yeah it was important, but they knew they would be swanning off to their wags and country estates so you could see how little they gave a ****. The current team by comparison is immensely technically flawed, achievment wise their manager doesn't fair to great against guys like Fabio Capello and Erikksson...but you see their passion and drive when they're on the pitch. That's why they're give way, WAY more respect than the former teams gone by. It's the same reason why, right now at least, Wilder is respected more than Joshua is.
    I disagree with you about Wilder. He's not a great boxer but he's not a bad one either. Fury is supposedly the most elusive HW boxer and even the first fight Wilder landed a ton of punches on him. People ignore that Wilder is very fast for a HW and that everyone knows about his right hand - but he lands it every fight. There is a skill in that

    Uh? Joshua showed a ton of skill in that fight. Not sure if you watched it at all. Landed some great shots on Usyk too.

    And England football team has always sucked cos English people are too nice and think about things too much. As soon as they get in a big match that means something they start panicking. We only won the world cup when the overall standard was low and there were just a few top teams. I don't even watch them any more and I won't until they get a ruthless streak on the pitch.

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  • KingGilgamesh
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    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
    I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

    What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good
    No people don't think Wilder is good. He's a ****ing awful boxer with absolutely atrocious fundamentals. The fact that Wilder spent 18 months only to come in the ring with his laughably one dimensional gameplan is testament to his poor skill level.

    Thing is though, Wilder has heart. And heart is admirable. Heart is something seasoned viewer and casual alike can respect. You may not understand footwork, head movement or feints but you can appreciate someone who refuses to stay down. There have been no grand revelations about Wilders skill. He looked as terrible technically as he always done. But his heart and will to win can't be denied. And a division full of questionable talent, its little wonder why people will fancy him against anyone.

    Thing with Joshua is that he has upset both casuals and experienced viewers. He didn't show any heart and he didn't really show any skill either. That's why people think he's poor. Being outboxed and KOed is forgivable. Many people wrote Joshua off in his first defeat but many also didn't. This time though, to treat this fight as something you can just pick back up on a second outing...will have left a sour taste in many mouths. It reminds me of the England team circa 2010 compared to now. The mid naughties England team was chock full of superstar talent and one of the best forwards in the world. But they were hated, why? Because they would treat ****ing Euros and world cups about as significantly as they would a premiership derby. Yeah it was important, but they knew they would be swanning off to their wags and country estates so you could see how little they gave a ****. The current team by comparison is immensely technically flawed, achievment wise their manager doesn't fair to great against guys like Fabio Capello and Erikksson...but you see their passion and drive when they're on the pitch. That's why they're give way, WAY more respect than the former teams gone by. It's the same reason why, right now at least, Wilder is respected more than Joshua is.
    Last edited by KingGilgamesh; 10-27-2021, 08:58 AM.

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  • KingGilgamesh
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    Originally posted by REDEEMER View Post
    A.J short circuited Usyk briefly with a lead left hook and you saw Usyks legs lose power ,had A.J jumped on him it was probably going to end differently but he has to engage more and make that happen more ,he had one opportunity and will have way more potential to do more of that .

    I didn’t really see Usyk having A.J in any trouble,he was more like a nuisance in there where he countered and timed shots perfectly. Can a fighter be perfect twice and against a more determined guy who will still have the power and size over him ? It’s unlikely,I think A.J will once again shut an opponent down on a second try if not knock him out .
    REDEEMER ladies and gentleman

    The same clown arguing that Fury could just swan off and fight Kabayel this time last year

    Your takes are ****ing awful. It annoys me seeing people who haven't been anywhere near a ring try and give their half asked analysis on something you do everyday.

    Usyk was given that fight. It was no picture perfect performance on Usyks behalf and Usyk has said that himself. He was troubled in ****ing two rounds where the best being thrown at him was a couple body shots with nothing to follow them up. You speak on power and size and know absolutely nothing about power or size. A skilled opponent won't just allow himself to be walked down, playing the big man in a fight is an art that requires an understanding of leaning, clinching, commitment to a jab and footwork...all things Joshua hasn't shown in a fight in ages now. You HAVE to eat shots and plenty of them in order to find an opening. Everything Jkdhua doesn't have any desire to do. Who has he shut down? A fat Ruiz who he ran away from to a decision? I've spent the better part of a year trying to truly understand effective clinching...its one of the things that truly separates a seasoned and experienced fighter.

    **** outta here. Irritates me seeing these gen Zer dumbasses who talk rather than walk. Never been in a gym in their life and think learning aspects of boxing is like buying a skill for your pokemon
    Last edited by KingGilgamesh; 10-27-2021, 08:47 AM.

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  • P4Pdunny
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    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post
    I think Whyte is half right - Joshua came in light and tried to outbox Usyk. That's an ego thing. It wasn't a sensible move. AJ should have been leaning on Usyk and tryign to rough him up. Using his weight with some boxing thrown in. Maybe he would still lose but give it a go.

    What I find strange is people saying Joshua is poor because he lost to Usyk. Doesn't make any sense. He boxed very well against a superb boxer and if anyone with eyesight watches he was ducking almost all of those punches on the ropes - the whole reason he stuck his tongue out at Usyk at the end of the combo. AJ could lose again to Usyk and that still wouldn't mean he is a poor boxer. Wilder effectively lost 3 times to Fury and got stopped twice but people seem to think he's pretty good
    all points that i agree with

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