Convince me Fury beats Usyk

[dan_cov]

Please someone break it down into depth, a little more depth than his physical attributes.
I'm sure we can all agree his height, reach, size will cause some issues. He's a giant and knows how to use his size, he's a tough fight for anyone especially with a lenient ref.

Stylistically how does he sort this riddle out in Usyk?

Am I the only one not really seeing it? I am more concerned about an AJ rematch than Fury if his last half a dozen or more performances are anything to go by.

I've seen a few say this will be an easy fight for Fury I wanted to say it'll be each others toughest fight or something but I'm not seeing that. I think Joyce is likely more problematic for Usyk providing he doesn't get old anytime soon.


Fury is the man I get not picking against him sort of thing but please tell me how he deals with Usyk.

I just can't help but think its a terrible style for Fury and Usyk just negates everything he does well or that has been so effective vs others

[hugh grant]

It's early days to predict but I'll go for usyk. Someone has to lose their zero. I think this fight warrants rematch

[Earl-Hickey]

Quite simply he will rough Usyk up on the inside and Usyk will not be able to handle it.

Fury's footspeed and ring coverage make that quite achievable.

Joshua in a rematch is in no way a "harder challenge" lmao

Joshua is a boxer puncher who stands at mid range and throws combinations, he has a rudimentary back foot game but fighting his usual style plays right into Usyk's hands, and he's proven he can't do anything different.

Fury is a totally different proposition, he can choose to box at long range and move around and see how Usyk deals with that, if Usyk can find a way past the 85" reach then he will get 277lbs close up on him.

Watch fury ragdoll Usyk and then afterwards "muh if they were the same size doe" well they aren't the same size, Fury is 277lbs

Remember how badly fury murked Cunningham when he decided to use his size, well fury is 25lbs bigger than even he was then.

Basically Fury can have a go at boxing Usyk at range if that doesn't work he will utilise his fall back plan which will be to Chisora Usyk, only difference is fury is 6'9" 277lbs not 6'2" 250 and has 12 rounds of stamina, not 2

[deathofaclown]

Fury knows how to use angles and move off the centre line, which most heavyweights today dont. Plus he has a monster reach to go with it.

I know Loma and Usyk are different fighters, but Teofimo showed if you know how to pivot with a fighter who uses angles and turn with them while using your reach, you can pretty much nullify all the angles. The beauty with having a long reach and knowing how to pivot is you don’t actually need to move quite as fast as the opponent and you can still nullify the angles. Fury can also switch southpaw in the same motion of attack, he does it a lot and commentators don’t pick up on it much, that will allow him to get close to Usyk and inside.

Fury has that ability to use angles too and the reach to help it, and once he negates the angles, he can then get close to him behind a jab, either left or right, and use his big size advantage to rough him up.

Usyk is no unsolvable puzzle, he’s just an excellent boxer. He gets hit, his fight with Briedis could’ve gone either way too. Chisora took rounds off him.

Usyk v AJ will look nothing Usyk v Fury. AJ hasn’t got the boxing IQ to understand positioning in the ring or how to deal with a fighter that moves off centre line. Fury does and does it himself.

Usyk knows Fury is a tough fight, he openly said it’s the hardest fight in the division for him. This is no Chisora or AJ that can only move in straight lines. Fury has a great IQ, can adapt in the middle of fights.

It won’t be the Fury that was just walking down Wilder, he’s too smart for that

Usyk is a great fighter, one of my top 5 favourites but I think Fury has so many advantages over him that he actually understands how to maximise and that’s when size does play a part, but it has to be done right. Fury has a lot of attributes that can nullify Usyk’s best attributes if done correctly.

[hugh grant]

Yeh I don't know who will win too early to say. But I'm saying usyk right now to get it out in open it's not a fight fury can avoid taking. Fury's not a king until he dethrones contenders to throne.
Wlad was a great win but wlad was best of last era So fury has best wilder. So fury nearly there now just usyk and josh

[Stuntman Mike]

OK so fury has beaten an ageing wlad who let's no kid ourselves on looked like **** the fight before against jennings...he couldn't even find a proper opening on him and his reflexes were long gone even prior to that I'd suggest

Then he beat wilder 3 x ..wilder a guy who was gifted a belt but rolling over a bunch of tomato cans with a long jab and right hand..nothing else he never broke anyone down with boxing he literally bum rushed a bunch of guys with no head movement

Both these guys to land their punches were attackers (they didn't counter to land their big shots)

That style plays into furys strengths with his footwork and range

who else has fury beat?

Furys attacks are sloppy and he leaves his chin in the air he's just been lucky enough that when he has been caught and dropped throwing clumsy punches that its been against mediocre competition who couldn't finish the show


This is a tough fight for usyk because of size and reach but it's also a tough fight for fury.. he needs to be on his absolute a game ..if he does any ****** clumsy attacks from range he will be countered and if he tried the rope a dope tactics he does when he wants a rest he will have laser like left hands into his gut and any other openings .....


Usyk has also proved he can take big punches from Joshua and come instantly back ,fury has proved he gets hurt by feather fisted cruiserweights like cunningham


60/40 in usyks favour for me ..I believe he will drop fury with an overhand left in the first 3 rounds and box his ears off to a unanimous victory

[deathofaclown]

OK so fury has beaten an ageing wlad who let's no kid ourselves on looked like **** the fight before against jennings...he couldn't even find a proper opening on him and his reflexes were long gone even prior to that I'd suggest

Then he beat wilder 3 x ..wilder a guy who was gifted a belt but rolling over a bunch of tomato cans with a long jab and right hand..nothing else he never broke anyone down with boxing he literally bum rushed a bunch of guys with no head movement

Both these guys to land their punches were attackers (they didn't counter to land their big shots)

That style plays into furys strengths with his footwork and range

who else has fury beat?

Furys attacks are sloppy and he leaves his chin in the air he's just been lucky enough that when he has been caught and dropped throwing clumsy punches that its been against mediocre competition who couldn't finish the show


This is a tough fight for usyk because of size and reach but it's also a tough fight for fury.. he needs to be on his absolute a game ..if he does any ****** clumsy attacks from range he will be countered and if he tried the rope a dope tactics he does when he wants a rest he will have laser like left hands into his gut and any other openings .....


Usyk has also proved he can take big punches from Joshua and come instantly back ,fury has proved he gets hurt by feather fisted cruiserweights like cunningham


60/40 in usyks favour for me ..I believe he will drop fury with an overhand left in the first 3 rounds and box his ears off to a unanimous victory

who has Usyk beaten? He had a good Cruiserweight run, but I don’t think any of those Cruiserweight are great fighters, they’re just solid. His fight with Briedis was probably a draw. Bellew had been knocked out at 175. Gassiev is VERY basic, just good power.

Up at heavyweight? - Witherspoon was a nothing fight. Chisora, Fury took his 0 years ago and then stopped him in a rematch fighting left handed, that was a much fresher Chisora without a dozen losses. Fury smoked a better Chisora much easier than Usyk did.

Then you’re left with AJ, he had been flattened by a fringe contender Andy Ruiz a few fights ago and is now very gun shy. It was a good win for Usyk, but AJ is a big stiff straight line fighter that’s now too timid to even use his physicality, Which is exactly why I picked Usyk to win.

If you’re going to take away from Fury’s win saying Wlad didn’t look great v Jennings (despite winning), then let’s not forget AJ had been bounced off the canvas 5 times by Andy Ruiz not that long ago, a guy who just went life and death with Chris Arreola.

Usyk is a very good fighter, one of my favourites, But if we’re going to pick holes in Fury’s wins, then we have to do the same with Usyk.

[Butt stuff]

I think he’ll try to get Usyk to duck under his hooks, then land with his forearm on his neck. Push down and walk him back to the ropes and lie on him and dig in with uppercuts. Rinse and repeat til rd 5-6 and then tee off.

[Stuntman Mike]

who has Usyk beaten? He had a good Cruiserweight run, but I don’t think any of those Cruiserweight are great fighters, they’re just solid. His fight with Briedis was probably a draw. Bellew had been knocked out at 175. Gassiev is VERY basic, just good power.

Up at heavyweight? - Witherspoon was a nothing fight. Chisora, Fury took his 0 years ago and then stopped him in a rematch fighting left handed, that was a much fresher Chisora without a dozen losses. Fury smoked a better Chisora much easier than Usyk did.

Then you’re left with AJ, he had been flattened by a fringe contender Andy Ruiz a few fights ago and is now very gun shy. It was a good win for Usyk, but AJ is a big stiff straight line fighter that’s now too timid to even use his physicality, Which is exactly why I picked Usyk to win.

If you’re going to take away from Fury’s win saying Wlad didn’t look great v Jennings (despite winning), then let’s not forget AJ had been bounced off the canvas 5 times by Andy Ruiz not that long ago, a guy who just went life and death with Chris Arreola.

Usyk is a very good fighter, one of my favourites, But if we’re going to pick holes in Fury’s wins, then we have to do the same with Usyk.

I agree with all you said ..

Bellew looked like a drained rat at 175 however and had been a totally different fighter at cruiser you have to agree with that

Both guys haven't been up to much ..beating aj was kind of a big deal considering the size differential and usyks ability to take a shot was proven imo


They both haven't been up to much and usyk did look under pressure from chisora but I feel if Fury puts on a similar pressure to get inside he can be hurt

I favour usyk from what I've seen them both do in the ring ...

Usyks never been hurt but fury has been flattened several times

[BangEM]

Quite simply he will rough Usyk up on the inside and Usyk will not be able to handle it.

Fury's footspeed and ring coverage make that quite achievable.

Joshua in a rematch is in no way a "harder challenge" lmao

Joshua is a boxer puncher who stands at mid range and throws combinations, he has a rudimentary back foot game but fighting his usual style plays right into Usyk's hands, and he's proven he can't do anything different.

Fury is a totally different proposition, he can choose to box at long range and move around and see how Usyk deals with that, if Usyk can find a way past the 85" reach then he will get 277lbs close up on him.

Watch fury ragdoll Usyk and then afterwards "muh if they were the same size doe" well they aren't the same size, Fury is 277lbs

Remember how badly fury murked Cunningham when he decided to use his size, well fury is 25lbs bigger than even he was then.

Basically Fury can have a go at boxing Usyk at range if that doesn't work he will utilise his fall back plan which will be to Chisora Usyk, only difference is fury is 6'9" 277lbs not 6'2" 250 and has 12 rounds of stamina, not 2

In what universe did AJ fight his usual style against Usyk? He went there trying to prove everyone wrong that he could outbox Usyk and he only fought his style in the mid rounds when he had success. But it was a bit too late because all the punishments he took to his right eye in the first 3rds took its toll on him.

Also, there were about 5 times when AJ caught Usyk flush and wobbled him a bit by beating him to the punch but rather than hit the guy with bad intentions - he just jabbed the guy in the face with his punches and pull back. There’s a video on YouTube that showed everything hence some people have started thinking that there’s a conspiracy and moneygrab going on. One was actually interesting: it was one of the few times AJ moved his head when Usyk threw his left and he countered Usyk and caught him on chin but pulled back from the punch and just jabbed Usyk’s chin with it.

Fury on the other hand is plodding kronk Fury now. He can NEVER be the 245lbs nimble Fury again unless he wants bums to spark him out cold. You can’t make 30lbs switch in boxing and look decent. And it’s evident in how trash Ruiz looked against Arreola.

Any version of Fury struggle against boxers with quick feet and angles. And he also struggles against southpaws and his leaning on boxers with a workrate like Usyk who never gasses. So I doubt if the plodding kronk Fury stands a chance - he’ll get outboxed and sparked late when he gasses (he gassed in the Wilder fights 2 & 3 but just had a bit more than Wilder who was gone).