Comments Thread For: Rogan Saw Fury-Wilder as 'Incredible' Fight, Gives Take on 'Long Count' Claims

[Lefty0616]

To be fair to the referee, he was giving long counts/recovery time to both Fury and Wilder - with the exception of the last time that Wilder went down.....where the ref just waived the fight off at that point.

[South Champion]

If anyone is complaining the count was long, I'd like to point out that the ringside doctor calling a timeout the moment a round began to ask Wilder if his hand was okay is way worse.

It reminded me how in the first Wilder-Ortiz fight, the ringside doctor called a time out the moment a round started to point his flashlight in Wilder's eyes after he had a minute to rest after getting rocked by Ortiz.

Two different fights where Wilder gets a doctor timeout following one full minute of rest, but people are pulling out stopwatches because Wilder can't keep Fury down.

[Squared.Circle]

The rules of boxing vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and on whether it is an amateur or professional bout. A violation of the following rules is considered a foul, and can result in a warning, point deduction, or disqualification by the referee:

• You cannot hit with an open glove, the inside of the glove, the wrist, the backhand, or the side of the hand.



• You cannot punch your opponent's back, or the back of his head or neck (rabbit punch), or on the kidneys (kidney punch).



The ignorance from casuals regarding official rules of boxing never ceases to amaze me, the boxingscene should make new signees pass a test before they are permitted to post ; Squared.Circle would of flunked, and have been barred from sharing any of his empty opinions and laying to waste good threads.

You conveniently forgot to list two very relevant illegal blows. It's OK, I've got them here for you..."Hitting an opponent below the navel or behind the ear", and "Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other".

But thank you for exposing yourself, you walked right into this with your thongs wrapped round your ankles...so, what you're saying is, the punch that Wilder knocked Fury down with for the second time in the third fight was not a rabbit punch? Yet the punch that Fury knocked Wilder down with in the second fight, which landed in almost an identical spot (difference being Wilder's was quite clearly closer to the back of the head), was a rabbit punch?

Don't make me go through your posts and quote all the times you cried about Fury's "rabbit punch" being the reason that Wilder was demolished in the second fight.

I'm gonna repost your screenshot, just incase anybody wants to see a punch that is so close to the back of the head (way behind the ear) that we might as well call the man who threw it Bugz Bunny (oh ****, look, Bugz Bunny is holding Fury with one hand and hitting with the other!!!! A double-whammy of an illegal blow!!!! Let's cry about this in every Fury vs. Wilder thread!!!!).



Take a seat, chap.

[Squared.Circle]

If anyone is complaining the count was long, I'd like to point out that the ringside doctor calling a timeout the moment a round began to ask Wilder if his hand was okay is way worse.

It reminded me how in the first Wilder-Ortiz fight, the ringside doctor called a time out the moment a round started to point his flashlight in Wilder's eyes after he had a minute to rest after getting rocked by Ortiz.

Two different fights where Wilder gets a doctor timeout following one full minute of rest, but people are pulling out stopwatches because Wilder can't keep Fury down.

It's funny, because I've only seen this happen on three or four occasions, and at least half of those occasions were for Wilder.

The reason nobody is crying about the extra time Wilder got is because the only people crying are the Wildette fangirls in mourning.

[MoneyKasha]

sigh
long count has been debunked

10 counts are never 10 seconds The question is, is the ref consistent? Both of Wilders knockdowns were 12 seconds from fall to the 8 count. It was 11 for Fury's first, and 13 for his second including the pause for Wilder leaving the neutral corner. So the ref was consistent.

even without the interruption, continuing the count from the Ref's pace...Fury would of got up at "8" anyways on the second knockdown

long count debunked

[MoneyKasha]

Resume the count from which number cupcake? Time keeper or number the number that the last ref counted?

The Timekeeper's count ceases once the ref picks it up

[MoneyKasha]

I completely destroy any justification of Russell Mora with the counter-argument of the 'Neutral-Corner' protocol.

As this clip clearly shows that the command to go to the nuetral corner by Mora and Deontay Wilder's compliance to said orders, only takes a mere split-second. The logic from the opposition is as follows : that the time-lapse between when Russell Mora gave the order and when Deontay Wilder acts on his instruction, meets reasonable world-class referee standards for the noticeable delay.

It takes Russell Mora 15 seconds to count to 8, it would of taken him around 20 to count to 10. I warned any of you that is foolish enough to try me, we can look at previous incompetent calls by Russel Mora if you want to back this crook. But I know that you cowards will insult me and try to justify this by referencing other fights, that have no baring on the matter.

1hourRun boxing expert, reporting.

who are you to say what is reasonable

The ref is allowed to stop a count to tell a fighter to go to his neutral corner. Wilder's low iq forgot about that.....also the timekeeper's count ceases once a ref picks it up

the rules are the rules

game, set and match

[kafkod]

I completely destroy any justification of Russell Mora with the counter-argument of the 'Neutral-Corner' protocol.

As this clip clearly shows that the command to go to the nuetral corner by Mora and Deontay Wilder's compliance to said orders, only takes a mere split-second. The logic from the opposition is as follows : that the time-lapse between when Russell Mora gave the order and when Deontay Wilder acts on his instruction, meets reasonable world-class referee standards for the noticeable delay.

It takes Russell Mora 15 seconds to count to 8, it would of taken him around 20 to count to 10. I warned any of you that is foolish enough to try me, we can look at previous incompetent calls by Russel Mora if you want to back this crook. But I know that you cowards will insult me and try to justify this by referencing other fights, that have no baring on the matter.

1hourRun boxing expert, reporting.

That clip shows Wilder returning to a neutral corner after being ordered to do so by Mora. Mora then resumes the count at the point where he left off, which is exactly what he was supposed to do. While this is happening, Fury is watching Mora and waiting for the count of "8" before rising. The only one who broke the rules during that knockdown was Wilder, who left the neutral corner while the count was taking place.

[fernandtg]

That's how everyone seen it Joe, the same as Andre Ward. Pure corruption.

Gypsy-Bum Tyson Fury, should have 3 L's on his record since returning to boxing after being banned for cheating Christian Hammer in 2015 : Otto Wallin, was also screwed by the NSAC and the ESPN crew, because with a loss Tyson could not go on to challenge eighter Wilder in a rematch OR Anthony Joshua, a win for Wallin would of cost TopRank, ESPN, PBC tens of millions of dollar.

A similar event occurred around that time with another TopRank HW, Kubrat Pulev : Kubrat like Tyson, was on the verge of being stopped with a bad cut, but he was bailed-out when Pulev rabbit-punched Bogdan Dinu, ref Raul Caiz Sr, halted the contest and deducted a point from Kubrat Pulev, but the damage was already done and Kubrat Pulev and TopRank went on to cash-out vs. Anthony Joshua.

A win for Bogdan Dinu, meant that Kubrat Pulev and TopRank would of lost millions of dollars vs. Anthony Joshua. These su****ious events are constant in the HW division.



Before that the world was in disarray over crook Jack Reiss. Over a year later, Tyson finally came out with the truth on a video interview and said that indeed he was out for a few seconds in the 12 round.

Now we got this other crook Russell Mora, who replaced Mike Ortega but was officiating that same night in the co-feature ( Efe Ajagba vs. Frank Sanchez . Cant nobody tell me that all these fortunate breaks Tyson has had is a product of chance, its ridiculous.

Can't believe you're so butthurt because another man got whooped twice in a row.

It'll be OK buddy.

[1hourRun]

In all seriousness, you should probably see a psychiatrist.
Cognitive dissonance, read up on it and get some help. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Thank you for your concern, Peter.

You conveniently forgot to list two very relevant illegal blows. It's OK, I've got them here for you..."Hitting an opponent below the navel or behind the ear", and "Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other".

But thank you for exposing yourself, you walked right into this with your thongs wrapped round your ankles...so, what you're saying is, the punch that Wilder knocked Fury down with for the second time in the third fight was not a rabbit punch? Yet the punch that Fury knocked Wilder down with in the second fight, which landed in almost an identical spot (difference being Wilder's was quite clearly closer to the back of the head), was a rabbit punch?

Don't make me go through your posts and quote all the times you cried about Fury's "rabbit punch" being the reason that Wilder was demolished in the second fight.

I'm gonna repost your screenshot, just incase anybody wants to see a punch that is so close to the back of the head (way behind the ear) that we might as well call the man who threw it Bugz Bunny (oh ****, look, Bugz Bunny is holding Fury with one hand and hitting with the other!!!! A double-whammy of an illegal blow!!!! Let's cry about this in every Fury vs. Wilder thread!!!!).



Take a seat, chap.

Why do you kids keep bumping old threads, I won.

Listen, anyone that knows boxing will look at the screenshot that I presented and consider the blow legal. You can say it was on the ear, but behind it, NO. You see what you want, but one thing is for sure, Tyson was hitting behind the head with purpose and fouling nonstop through out the series ; I already spammed the board enough with the video evidence and am tired of posting them, since you all have decided to overlook Fury's blatant fouls it would be in vain to continue to force my opinion onto you.



To the untrained-eye/casual fan, you see Wilders hand on Fury's shoulder and assume the reason for this is that Wilder is holding and hitting. What the well informed boxing fan sees is Deontay creating space and punching his way out -- which professional referees will instruct boxers to do during the contest.

who are you to say what is reasonable

The ref is allowed to stop a count to tell a fighter to go to his neutral corner. Wilder's low iq forgot about that.....also the timekeeper's count ceases once a ref picks it up

the rules are the rules

game, set and match

Who am I? I'm no authority, however I and millions that watched the fight have common sense, as does Joe Rogan and Andre Ward.

That clip shows Wilder returning to a neutral corner after being ordered to do so by Mora. Mora then resumes the count at the point where he left off, which is exactly what he was supposed to do. While this is happening, Fury is watching Mora and waiting for the count of "8" before rising. The only one who broke the rules during that knockdown was Wilder, who left the neutral corner while the count was taking place.

Yes Deontay went to the wrong corner, it happens. However, Russell Mora's break from the count does not exceed five seconds, he continues the 8 count -- almost instantly as you noted. So, the evidence clearly eliminates a major laps of time from when Mora instructed Deontay Wilder to head to the neutral corner; so what could be the only other reason for the significant delay? Its clearly not the break, its Russell Mora.

This is very simple ; aliens did not warp time during Fury-Wilder III.