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The UFC didnt start blowing up until the 2nd half of the 00s, and didnt hit their first 1 million breaker until 2008. If you compare over that period boxing has done it 20 times and the UFC 19. However the boxing PPVs include Floyd vs an MMA fighter, Floyd vs a Youtuber and an exhibition match between Tyson and RJJ in their 50s with Jake Paul in the co-main.
Narrowing it down to the six plus years since Floyd/Pac (since that was pretty much the end of an era for boxing), boxing did 7 while the UFC had 12. Take away the Youtubers, retired boxers and MMA fighters involved in the main events of the boxing PPVs and its more like 4 vs 12.
Yes, while generally putting out 2-3x as many PPVs per year as boxing. And 300-500k is considered a great number for boxing PPVs outside of Canelo fights btw . Spences biggest PPV fight so far did 375k, Pacs biggest number after the Floyd loss was 500k vs Thurman. Crawford/Khan did 150k, Tank/LSC 225k, neither of the Ward/Kovalev fights broke 200k etc etc.
You're confusing a sport with a promotion again. Its like going, "yeah well where can you watch Top Rank outside of the network they signed a deal with?"
But the UFC does run some shows on ABC occasionally. Bellator is on Showtime. One FC had some shows on TNT. PFL is also on ESPN. Then outside of traditional tv the UFC has its own streaming service, and with a lot of none American promotions theres lots of stuff shown live on YT, or via online PPVs on Fite or whatever.
No it isnt, they clarify when a number is from global buys, and often break down how much is domestic and how much is international. The UFC is not on PPV in the majority of the world. One obvious thing that debunks this idea is that they were doing similar numbers in like 2008/09 when the UFC had barely moved outside of the US yet and didnt have anywhere near the international fanbase as now.
Btw, the 1.2m claim for Fury/Wilder 2 is literally based on Bob Arum saying this....
“In regards to the Fury vs Wilder (II) Pay-Per-View, they don’t have the digital numbers yet. The digital is well over 300,000 buys, It’s probably sort of accurate (the 850,000 reported). But then you add in the digital on top of that. So three hundred and change (to 850,000). It’s closer to 1.2 million.”
So based on that its probably lower than 1.2m really, and thats almost certainly a global number, not a US domestic one. especially when you consider that UK buys werent made public for the second fight. Unless you believe a jump from 325k to 1.2m in US PPV buys between the first and second fight is realistic.
Conor/Poirier 3 was claimed to have done 1.8m globally, 1.3m US domestic.
I absolutely ****ing guarantee you that most weekends the UFC is being watched by a larger amount of people spread across a wider amount of countries than any particular boxing card. Last weekend being one of a handful of times per year that a boxing card will have more attention. A lot of times cards from major boxing promotions cant be watched on tv or any easily accessible official streaming service in many countries btw.
IG followers:
Conor - 42.5m
Khabib - 30.9
AJ - 13.1m
Canelo - 10.8m
Jon Jones - 5.8m
Adesanya - 5.4m
Nate Diaz - 5.2m
Fury - 5.1m
GGG - 4.1m
Poirier - 3.7m
Ngannou - 3.1m
Jorge - 3m
Wilder - 2.8m
Usman - 2.6m
Holloway - 2.6m
Loma - 2m
Usyk - 1.6m
Spence - 774k
Teofimo - 702k
Crawford - 690k
UFC - 29.1m
DAZN - 1.2m
Top Rank - 1m
PBC - 822k
Matchroom - 548k
* goes to Youtube, searches terms and filters by highest view count, heres the most viewed videos that come up...
"UFC" - 132m for top 20 KOs in UFC history
"boxing" (top viewed video is WWE for some reason and completely unrelated), second is 94m for a Mike Tyson KO compilation
Conor McGregor - 64m
Anthony Joshua - 38m
"Conor Khabib" - 27m
"Joshua Wlad" - 22m
"Conor Poirier" - 18m
"Fury Wilder" - 17m
Tyson Fury - 16m
Canelo - 16m
"Canelo GGG" - 7.9m
YT subscribers -
UFC - 12.4m
DAZN - 2.1m
Top Rank - 1.1m
PBC- 825k
Matchroom - 285k
Reddit MMA - 1.7m subscribers
Reddit boxing - 1.1m subscribers
Bottom line is you have your head in the sand about this. This wasnt supposed to be a boxing vs MMA thread anyway, you took it there.
Narrowing it down to the six plus years since Floyd/Pac (since that was pretty much the end of an era for boxing), boxing did 7 while the UFC had 12. Take away the Youtubers, retired boxers and MMA fighters involved in the main events of the boxing PPVs and its more like 4 vs 12.
Yes, while generally putting out 2-3x as many PPVs per year as boxing. And 300-500k is considered a great number for boxing PPVs outside of Canelo fights btw . Spences biggest PPV fight so far did 375k, Pacs biggest number after the Floyd loss was 500k vs Thurman. Crawford/Khan did 150k, Tank/LSC 225k, neither of the Ward/Kovalev fights broke 200k etc etc.
You're confusing a sport with a promotion again. Its like going, "yeah well where can you watch Top Rank outside of the network they signed a deal with?"
But the UFC does run some shows on ABC occasionally. Bellator is on Showtime. One FC had some shows on TNT. PFL is also on ESPN. Then outside of traditional tv the UFC has its own streaming service, and with a lot of none American promotions theres lots of stuff shown live on YT, or via online PPVs on Fite or whatever.
No it isnt, they clarify when a number is from global buys, and often break down how much is domestic and how much is international. The UFC is not on PPV in the majority of the world. One obvious thing that debunks this idea is that they were doing similar numbers in like 2008/09 when the UFC had barely moved outside of the US yet and didnt have anywhere near the international fanbase as now.
Btw, the 1.2m claim for Fury/Wilder 2 is literally based on Bob Arum saying this....
“In regards to the Fury vs Wilder (II) Pay-Per-View, they don’t have the digital numbers yet. The digital is well over 300,000 buys, It’s probably sort of accurate (the 850,000 reported). But then you add in the digital on top of that. So three hundred and change (to 850,000). It’s closer to 1.2 million.”
So based on that its probably lower than 1.2m really, and thats almost certainly a global number, not a US domestic one. especially when you consider that UK buys werent made public for the second fight. Unless you believe a jump from 325k to 1.2m in US PPV buys between the first and second fight is realistic.
Conor/Poirier 3 was claimed to have done 1.8m globally, 1.3m US domestic.
I absolutely ****ing guarantee you that most weekends the UFC is being watched by a larger amount of people spread across a wider amount of countries than any particular boxing card. Last weekend being one of a handful of times per year that a boxing card will have more attention. A lot of times cards from major boxing promotions cant be watched on tv or any easily accessible official streaming service in many countries btw.
IG followers:
Conor - 42.5m
Khabib - 30.9
AJ - 13.1m
Canelo - 10.8m
Jon Jones - 5.8m
Adesanya - 5.4m
Nate Diaz - 5.2m
Fury - 5.1m
GGG - 4.1m
Poirier - 3.7m
Ngannou - 3.1m
Jorge - 3m
Wilder - 2.8m
Usman - 2.6m
Holloway - 2.6m
Loma - 2m
Usyk - 1.6m
Spence - 774k
Teofimo - 702k
Crawford - 690k
UFC - 29.1m
DAZN - 1.2m
Top Rank - 1m
PBC - 822k
Matchroom - 548k
* goes to Youtube, searches terms and filters by highest view count, heres the most viewed videos that come up...
"UFC" - 132m for top 20 KOs in UFC history
"boxing" (top viewed video is WWE for some reason and completely unrelated), second is 94m for a Mike Tyson KO compilation
Conor McGregor - 64m
Anthony Joshua - 38m
"Conor Khabib" - 27m
"Joshua Wlad" - 22m
"Conor Poirier" - 18m
"Fury Wilder" - 17m
Tyson Fury - 16m
Canelo - 16m
"Canelo GGG" - 7.9m
YT subscribers -
UFC - 12.4m
DAZN - 2.1m
Top Rank - 1.1m
PBC- 825k
Matchroom - 285k
Reddit MMA - 1.7m subscribers
Reddit boxing - 1.1m subscribers
Bottom line is you have your head in the sand about this. This wasnt supposed to be a boxing vs MMA thread anyway, you took it there.
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