Why do some fans demand fighters to do what past greats do?

[-Kev-]

First off, youre an idiot

Secondly, fans want fighters to acheive greatness. Naturally they want fighters to do what past greats did AND MORE.



If you cant comprehend this then finish your GED

Correction, they want SOME fighters to achieve greatness.

Lol. I actually smiled at the rest. It’s adorable how you dumb ******* just come here to pick internet fights. Attempt, at least a little bit, to be your nerdy self on here. Seriously. If you are not tough, you are not going to convince someone who deals with murderers for a living. It’s literally my job. So calm your e-thuggery down a bit. You may impress other geeks on here with your tough guy stuff but i’m sorry, I am not impressed. You call yourself a man and have a **** and balls while picking fights on the internet. That’s pathetic.

[The Big Dunn]

Yeah. I mean it is obvious why fighters can’t fight twice a week anymore. But you will have guys come on here pretending to be tough and crazy, and like they are tougher than pro boxers themselves. It’s amusing. And you see how insulting they become on the internet while arguing for or against a fighter. I mean seriously, I wish boxingscene had an actual physical meeting spot where we can all just box our asses off. That way that poster who is so quick to call others names and insults can finally show the balls he claims some of these pro fighters don’t have. He can show his manliness

Exactly. I wonder if some of these idiots think Ray Robinson would fight as often if he made the kind of money a Cotto made per fight ( adjusted ), let alone the cash cows.

Now if you’re mad a dude like Gary Russell only fights one a year, I get that and agree.

If you’re mad Floyd, Manny , canelo or AJ doesn’t fight more than 3 times a year you simply haven’t adjusted to where the sport and society are.

[-Kev-]

Exactly. I wonder if some of these idiots think Ray Robinson would fight as often if he made the kind of money a Cotto made per fight ( adjusted ), let alone the cash cows.

Now if you’re mad a dude like Gary Russell only fights one a year, I get that and agree.

If you’re mad Floyd, Manny , canelo or AJ doesn’t fight more than 3 times a year you simply haven’t adjusted to where the sport and society are.

They just can’t do it anymore. I wish they could. I prefer fighters get 100 pro fights in. It would be great entertainment, great development, great exposure to boxing. That would be great. But promoters and networks aren’t going to do that anymore. Not enough slots, not enough money. I would love to see Canelo, AJ, Pacquiao, Lomachenko, Lopez, Fury etc. once a week for a whole year. That’s not gonna happen. And that’s not something a fighter can change. Fighters don’t have that kind of leverage on their promoters and networks.

[iamboxing]

How many top 10 fighters he beat?
How many top 10 P4P fighters he beat?
How many HOFers he beat?
How many titles he won?
Who did he win the titles from (paper titles?)
How dominant did he look vs top 10 fighters?
How many times did he challenge himself?
Did he ever move up(not necessary but adds to it)?
Who did he fight in each weight class?
Did he make an effort at fighting the best and biggest names of his era?
If some fights did not happen, why not?
Any losses?
How bad were the losses?
Did he improve after the losses?
Did he rematch fighters who beat him or had good performances against him?

I don’t think it’s difficult to gauge. I don’t need a reference point to identify a successful career. Boxing could have been invented in the last 20 years and anyone would know who’s successful in that time span. Wlad, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Lomachenko, GGG, Hopkins, etc.

Never thought of it that way, you make an interesting point.

[Toffee]

How many top 10 fighters he beat?
How many top 10 P4P fighters he beat?
How many HOFers he beat?
How many titles he won?
Who did he win the titles from (paper titles?)
How dominant did he look vs top 10 fighters?
How many times did he challenge himself?
Did he ever move up(not necessary but adds to it)?
Who did he fight in each weight class?
Did he make an effort at fighting the best and biggest names of his era?
If some fights did not happen, why not?
Any losses?
How bad were the losses?
Did he improve after the losses?
Did he rematch fighters who beat him or had good performances against him?

I don’t think it’s difficult to gauge. I don’t need a reference point to identify a successful career. Boxing could have been invented in the last 20 years and anyone would know who’s successful in that time span. Wlad, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Lomachenko, GGG, Hopkins, etc.

All great measures. I suppose the point being made is that you get guys on here labelling a champion as trash because he couldn't match those kind of markers.

Those markers are incredibly tough. They're the kind of measures that separate great fighters in their era from legendary fighters overall.

Basically, posters on here take a fighter they claim not to rate and then hold them to an incredibly high standard. Why expect that of a guy you don't rate?

I'll use Joshua as an example again. He's levels short of ATG on your list, but that in itself is bloody impressive. If you don't rate him, fine, but to not rate him because he hasn't achieved the kind of things that would make him a legend in the history of the sport is ridiculous. And he's still got the opportunity to do them. And the willingness, it seems.

[The Big Dunn]

They just can’t do it anymore. I wish they could. I prefer fighters get 100 pro fights in. It would be great entertainment, great development, great exposure to boxing. That would be great. But promoters and networks aren’t going to do that anymore. Not enough slots, not enough money. I would love to see Canelo, AJ, Pacquiao, Lomachenko, Lopez, Fury etc. once a week for a whole year. That’s not gonna happen. And that’s not something a fighter can change. Fighters don’t have that kind of leverage on their promoters and networks.

The fighters of yesteryear were independent contractors making little money.

The fighters today are network or promoter employees that are paid by them to perform like other entertainers. So they minimize damage by having them fight a minimum number of times.

It’s not hard to understand. Least it shouldn’t be.

[-Kev-]

All great measures. I suppose the point being made is that you get guys on here labelling a champion as trash because he couldn't match those kind of markers.

Those markers are incredibly tough. They're the kind of measures that separate great fighters in their era from legendary fighters overall.

Basically, posters on here take a fighter they claim not to rate and then hold them to an incredibly high standard. Why expect that of a guy you don't rate?

I'll use Joshua as an example again. He's levels short of ATG on your list, but that in itself is bloody impressive. If you don't rate him, fine, but to not rate him because he hasn't achieved the kind of things that would make him a legend in the history of the sport is ridiculous. And he's still got the opportunity to do them. And the willingness, it seems.

Exactly. It’s what I mean. Some boxing fans hold fighters they don’t like to higher standards than fighters they do like. Their demands for certain boxers have malice behind them. But they want to present it like they’re just being a good old boxing fan who just want to see the “best fighting the best”. Except for when it’s there favorite fighter.

Some fans make these extremely difficult demands that not even fighters they like can accomplish. And they know it. Which is why they don’t demand the same from fighters they like.

That has to be the reason. If that is not, and they are just being naive, thinking anyone can do what the past greats did then they are more lost than I thought. Because ATG’s were not just fighters who fought everyone. They fought everyone and beat mostly everyone.

If it’s just about being a man and fighting everyone, win or lose, then are we talking about the likes of Emmanuel Augustus and DeMarcus Corley? Where do they rank in the ATG list? They fought everyone, right? So then they are ATG’s? That’s not all it takes to be an ATG. Which is my point. It’s extremely difficult to copy an all time great’s career. It’s why they are all time greats. But some fans want to ask fighters to nonchalantly do what the greats did. Like any kid off the streets can waltz into pro boxing and be the next Willie Pep or Pernell Whitaker. Because you know, it’s so easy.

[clmags12]

Exactly. It’s what I mean. Some boxing fans hold fighters they don’t like to higher standards than fighters they do like. Their demands for certain boxers have malice behind them. But they want to present it like they’re just being a good old boxing fan who just want to see the “best fighting the best”. Except for when it’s there favorite fighter.

Some fans make these extremely difficult demands that not even fighters they like can accomplish. And they know it. Which is why they don’t demand the same from fighters they like.

That has to be the reason. If that is not, and they are just being naive, thinking anyone can do what the past greats did then they are more lost than I thought. Because ATG’s were not just fighters who fought everyone. They fought everyone and beat mostly everyone.

If it’s just about being a man and fighting everyone, win or lose, then are we talking about the likes of Emmanuel Augustus and DeMarcus Corley? Where do they rank in the ATG list? They fought everyone, right? So then they are ATG’s? That’s not all it takes to be an ATG. Which is my point. It’s extremely difficult to copy an all time great’s career. It’s why they are all time greats. But some fans want to ask fighters to nonchalantly do what the greats did. Like any kid off the streets can waltz into pro boxing and be the next Willie Pep or Pernell Whitaker. Because you know, it’s so easy.

Still haven't stepped off that soapbox I see.

Bro,. Boxing is a sport. Not every fan will have the same standards and opinions on things. You working your self up for nothing.

[-Kev-]

Still haven't stepped off that soapbox I see.

Bro,. Boxing is a sport. Not every fan will have the same standards and opinions on things. You working your self up for nothing.

Idgaf. It’s a discussion forum. There will be arguments and disagreements. If you don’t care to argue your opinions then leave. Look at every single thread here. Fans arguing. It’s been like this since the start. Stop coming in here like you are some hall monitor or traffic officer or something. Discuss/argue the initial post or go some where else. Or make your own thread talking about whatever the hell it is you are here to talk about.

Coming in here stating the obvious. “Fans will have different opinions”…well…no sh/t. What’s your point? Shut down the forum? Why have a discussion forum? Let’s close it because clmags doesn’t want us arguing.

[clmags12]

Idgaf. It’s a discussion forum. There will be arguments and disagreements. If you don’t care to argue your opinions then leave. Look at every single thread here. Fans arguing. It’s been like this since the start. Stop coming in here like you are some hall monitor or traffic officer or something. Discuss/argue the initial post or go some where else. Or make your own thread talking about whatever the hell it is you are here to talk about.

Coming in here stating the obvious. “Fans will have different opinions”…well…no sh/t. What’s your point? Shut down the forum? Why have a discussion forum? Let’s close it because clmags doesn’t want us arguing.

Whoa, 2 paragraphs of anger/frustration just for stating rhe obvious? My statement was adding to the thread. With some **** talking added in.

With the others whose opinions did not line up with yours you straight shot them down, no open mind or consideration with their opinions. Only fans dont get this.. Or that.. E-thug internet tough guys.. Get in the ring like I did.. BLAH/BLAH, etc.

It really seems the only one who doesn't get it is you.