Lets settle it. Should Lomachenko get a rematch?

[The Big Dunn]

Okay ... just holdup a sec. I'm not trying to waste time, I just need to know we are on the same page. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm getting there. It's important to agree here.

So now that we (obviously) agree on the scoring criteria, let's flesh it out.

Rules:

• Clean, effective punches
  • To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean. This means that a soft or touching punch is not as effective as a hard punch.
• Effective Agression
  • Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it isn't really 'effective'. Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands punches and avoids those from his opponent.
• Ring Generalship
  • The fighter who controls the action and enforces their will and style.
• Defense
  • How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches.

So let's speed this up. Do you disagree with how I have defined the scoring criteria? What do you believe is more important or do you believe that they are all equally important?

Homie I’m not taking a test. We’re on the same page. Make your point about how you can give Loma any round from 1-7.

[The Big Dunn]

Many times in boxing, the up and coming B-side fighter beats the proven A-side, #1 ranked veteran. Some of these upsets have been terrible KO's, some of them were close upsets.

Not many sports are like boxing, where you kind of have a choice in who you go up against. For example, NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, etc, have schedules. If you lose in the Super Bowl, the loser can't just ask for a rematch for the championship, and the champion grants them that rematch, and the NFL allows it. For the rematch to happen for the championship, both teams would have to make it to the Super Bowl again the following year, or some other year, who knows when.

Anyway, because of boxing's nature, you have a choice in who you fight. Granted, the other fighter has to agree. Lomachenko chose to fight Lopez, the up and coming kid in boxing. He could have gone up to 147 and called out Pacquiao for a big money fight, win or lose, and no one would have cared if Lomachenko lost because he would have to go up 2 weights classes. But Lomachenko chose to fight Lopez, who also looked way better and tougher than the featherfisted Haney (and still does look better now) who some fans claim Lomachenko ducked for some reason. The guy barely got past Linares, no one is scared of him.

Point is, Lopez needs to do the right thing and give Lomachenko a rematch because Lomachenko gave him the opportunity. It's the right thing to do. It is an unwritten rule, it does not matter if there is no rematch clause. It is the "prizefighter" thing to do. The top guy, veteran guy, gives you a fight when you ask for it...you win...he asks for a rematch, you give him the rematch. That is the gentleman/prizefighter thing to do. Teofimo Lopez is acting like a child instead of a gentleman/fighter. The fighter in Lomachenko made him fight you because he has pride and you were calling him out like crazy. Now he calls you out for a rematch, have some pride and fight him.

We can never be sure what is in an individual’s mind. We can however judge his actions. He dropped the belt rather than fight Haney. Now we may have a different opinion about this, but those are not actions to at should be condoned.

Kev couldn’t disagree with you more. Loma wouldn’t give Teo a rematch if things were reversed. We know this because no rematch clause was inserted.

Now Loma wants a rematch because Teo was his most lucrative fight. Teo wants to go on to more lucrative fights, which was Loma’s plan had he won.

He also didn’t give him a fight for any reason other than the money and the unification. Since Loma dropped the belt, there is no unification to be had.

So we default to the money, and there is more money in a Taylor fight for Teo than there is a Loma rematch.

Losing has consequences and Loma/Bob didn’t plan for the worse case scenario.

Respect you and your point but I don’t think it’s on Teo to make up for that.

[Cypocryphy]

Homie I’m not taking a test. We’re on the same page. Make your point about how you can give Loma any round from 1-7.

Okay. Well, The rule (or unwritten rule) is that clean, effective punches are the most important. You can't be effectively aggressive unless you are landing clean, effective punches. You can't enforce the action by your will or style without landing cleaning, effective punches. And you can't land clean, effective punches if your opponent's defending them.

So in the end, clean and effective punches are the measuring stick on who's winning a fight and who's losing a fight. You can have a guy throwing punches every second of every round, and if he's not landing, they're being blocked or their not connecting flush (with the knuckle area of the glove), then you aren't landing cleanly or effectively. So no palming the guy, no grazing the guy, no nothing like that. And the punches have to be in scoring areas. Not below the belt line, not behind the head or on the back. Not on the gloves (then can't catch a punch) not on the forearms (couldn't parry then or block), and not on the shoulders (as that would mean the worst defense in the world would be the shoulder roll), etc.

Now if you can agree to all of this, then I'll come back and show you why I scored the fight as I did. But I'm going to the gym now. I will be back.

[hugh grant]

He's free to earn a title shot like everyone else. Does he deserve one? Hell no. He ain't got the clout to be demanding rematches. He has a weak resume and he ain't bringing that much money to the table. What reason is there for a rematch? These young lions got better **** to do than take pity on Lomo.

SR R rematch lamotta 5 times so why n ot rematch a pfp fighter? Unlike Floyd who ducked a Pac rematch to fight berto, not onwards and upwards with floyd is it? Lomo has earnt a rematch by being a bigger superstar than teo was. Lomo made teo who he is now, he's given teo credibility. Superstars deservevrematches as most would like 2 wins over a superstar rather than a berto or whoever teo wants to fight
I suppose gevonta Davies it has to be if not lomo

[GhostofDempsey]

Yes. Despite not having a rematch clause, it's a fight fans want to see. Loma just beat a common opponent (Nakatani) by TKO, more decisively than Lopez did.

[QueensburyRules]

So we default to the money, and there is more money in a Taylor fight for Teo than there is a Loma rematch.

- -What grade U get set back this year?

[hugh grant]

GET? No! Earn It? Yes!

Fight Devin Haney who is begging for a Top Level Opponent and Teofimo should be ordered to fight the winner by the WBC

Lomo has earnt it by being a superstar before loss to lopez. Lomo have given lopez his pfp status so don't you think that's deserving of a tematch?
Lomo probably being better than who lopez wants to fight next makes a rematch a good fight, a natural fight. Or it could be a rematch early next year

[The Big Dunn]

Yes. Despite not having a rematch clause, it's a fight fans want to see. Loma just beat a common opponent (Nakatani) by TKO, more decisively than Lopez did.

He also lost decisively to Teo.

[The Big Dunn]

SR R rematch lamotta 5 times so why n ot rematch a pfp fighter? Unlike Floyd who ducked a Pac rematch to fight berto, not onwards and upwards with floyd is it? Lomo has earnt a rematch by being a bigger superstar than teo was. Lomo made teo who he is now, he's given teo credibility. Superstars deservevrematches as most would like 2 wins over a superstar rather than a berto or whoever teo wants to fight
I suppose gevonta Davies it has to be if not lomo

Listen up pole smoker- Manny didn’t earn a rematch by his performance. He got beaten 10-2.

We get it- you like Manny and desperately want to see him beat Floyd. Too bad for you it didn’t happen.

Tine to get over it. Instead you’re begging and crying because you can’t cope with him losing.

[hugh grant]

Listen up pole smoker- Manny didn’t earn a rematch by his performance. He got beaten 10-2.

We get it- you like Manny and desperately want to see him beat Floyd. Too bad for you it didn’t happen.

Tine to get over it. Instead you’re begging and crying because you can’t cope with him losing.

You didn't read last post. Even if Pac lost 12 rounds to Floyd he'd have earnt a rematch as Pac was the superstar who gave Floyd s resume credibility and supposedly Floyd s best win. And if Pac did lose 12 rounds, Floyd would assume just like everyone else would, that Pac had an off night and hope the real Pac turns up in rematch. Because it's hard to have a credible win when everyone believes one fighter had an off night and pacs bad shoulder and Floyd s IV explains it
But Floyd glad to have any win over pac, beggars can't be choosers