Lets settle it. Should Lomachenko get a rematch?

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  • buddyr
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    #31
    Originally posted by Cypocryphy

    Yeah. The judges gave it to Teofimo. The scorecards were absolutely controversial. It was a super close fight and should have been a draw. You are just making **** up. Why, I wonder. If you don't like a fighter, that's your prerogative. But if you are going to talk bull****, I'll hit you in the face with a fist full of facts.
    there are 12 rounds in a fight. If you give away the first 6 and lost the 12th, that's 7 rounds you lost. And for the record, I don't like either one of these guys. you're just upset your hero lost while trying to convince us he was robbed and won a fight while being robbed with a hurt shoulder. Stop it. He lost. And he knew he lost in his post fight interview stating how strong Teo was.

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    • Cypocryphy
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      #32
      Originally posted by buddyr

      there are 12 rounds in a fight. If you give away the first 6 and lost the 12th, that's 7 rounds you lost. And for the record, I don't like either one of these guys. you're just upset your hero lost while trying to convince us he was robbed and won a fight while being robbed with a hurt shoulder. Stop it. He lost. And he knew he lost in his post fight interview stating how strong Teo was.
      I did not say that he was robbed. This is what I'm talking about. You just keep making **** up. I said it was a close fight. He had a hurt shoulder. That's a fact. Everything I'm saying are facts. Saying that someone is strong does not mean, "and therefore I lost." In fact, Loma has said repeatedly that it was a draw. So has everyone I have spoken to whom I respect because they are unbiased. So too have a lot of others, such as Ward, Robert Garcia, Teddy Atlas, Sporting News, ect. Others gave the slight edge to Lopez because of Loma not throwing for half the fight. But whatever the case, it was a close fight, and there was nothing to signify that another fight wound't be even better. Especially considering that Loma did have an injured shoulder, that he did get a TUE before the fight (unlike Manny with Floyd) and that he need it for the pain.

      Everything points to a rematch being even better than the first. EVERYTHING.

      And the truth of the matter, when watched in slow motion (because that helps some ), you can see that Lopez couldn't even hit Loma. The kid was swinging at air almost the entire fight, and if not that, then his shots were blocked. Loma on the other hand couldn't miss Teo. The kids head was bouncing off of his back every time Loma threw.

      And that, right there, are the facts, plain and simple.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Cypocryphy

        I did not say that he was robbed. This is what I'm talking about. You just keep making **** up. I said it was a close fight. He had a hurt shoulder. That's a fact. Everything I'm saying are facts. Saying that someone is strong does not mean, "and therefore I lost." In fact, Loma has said repeatedly that it was a draw. So has everyone I have spoken to whom I respect because they are unbiased. So too have a lot of others, such as Ward, Robert Garcia, Teddy Atlas, Sporting News, ect. Others gave the slight edge to Lopez because of Loma not throwing for half the fight. But whatever the case, it was a close fight, and there was nothing to signify that another fight wound't be even better. Especially considering that Loma did have an injured shoulder, that he did get a TUE before the fight (unlike Manny with Floyd) and that he need it for the pain.

        Everything points to a rematch being even better than the first. EVERYTHING.

        And the truth of the matter, when watched in slow motion (because that helps some ), you can see that Lopez couldn't even hit Loma. The kid was swinging at air almost the entire fight, and if not that, then his shots were blocked. Loma on the other hand couldn't miss Teo. The kids head was bouncing off of his back every time Loma threw.

        And that, right there, are the facts, plain and simple.
        so if you're saying for 12 rounds Teo didn't land any punches and Loma landed at will and still lost, then you're saying he was robbed. right or wrong? lol

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          #34
          Originally posted by 493dart
          Hard to believe you Casuals dont know that Loma fought with an injured shoulder .....
          How was he fighting with a hurt shoulder but turned it on in the second half of the bout

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            #35
            Originally posted by buddyr

            so if you're saying for 12 rounds Teo didn't land any punches and Loma landed at will and still lost, then you're saying he was robbed. right or wrong? lol
            Obviously he landed punches. Don't be ridiculous. He hardly landed any, is what I'm saying, in relation to Loma.

            Here, see for yourself: (1) Punch Count One (2) Punch Count Two

            Those are two separate videos, one made by a guy that favored Lopez to win.

            There's a video of this, you know, of the fight. You can't argue when it's right there, in your face.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Pago007

              How was he fighting with a hurt shoulder but turned it on in the second half of the bout
              Have you ever had to push yourself through an injury before? Ever box before, or play sports before? It sounds as if you haven't. There was a QB for the Buccaneers who played through a busted spleen. Imagine that!! Think you could do that? I couldn't. But there are guys out there that push themselves beyond when they have to.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Cypocryphy

                Have you ever had to push yourself through an injury before? Ever box before, or play sports before? It sounds as if you haven't. There was a QB for the Buccaneers who played through a busted spleen. Imagine that!! Think you could do that? I couldn't. But there are guys out there that push themselves beyond when they have to.
                If that's the case then he could've pushed himself from round 1 on

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                • Cypocryphy
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Pago007

                  If that's the case then he could've pushed himself from round 1 on
                  Well, I'm not going to spend too much time anymore making these posts, but I did explain this before, from what he had said and from what I know about injuries. Also what I know about fighting.

                  I'll just tell you what I saw and think, and you can either agree or not. But this is what I saw:

                  Loma came into the fight injured but had had an injection with a TUE. He then was caught off guard a bit by Teofimo's speed and his boxing skills. You might not be familiar with Teofimo, but he was fighting differently in this fight. I believe this was Gamache's influence or plan. He was not fighting Loma as he usually fights southpaws. So this caused a bit of a delay for Loma to get going. (I also think that the year out of the ring didn't help.)

                  In the second round, Loma landed the more meaningful punches. This was obvious because Teofimo's corner brought out the end swell (and his wife screamed in the audience too). Loma's cornerman hardly did anything. Not once did the end swell come out. It was just vaseline the whole fight.

                  After that round, the offense seemed to stop. (Later Loma said that's because he felt a grinding or pop in his arm when he threw at the end of the second round.) He knew that if he tore his rotator cuff even more, he might not even be able to throw his right at all. So he decided to try to put himself in positions and angles that let him use his good arm.

                  This wasn't working because Teofimo was just too good. It had nothing to do with the power so much as what it was that Teofimo was doing in the ring with his lead hand and movement. Teofimo gave Loma absolutely nothing, which was fantastic and showed Lopez's skill.

                  It got the point where Loma was going to obviously lose the fight, so he had to just "sell out" and start using his arm for better or for worse. This began in the sixth round. You could call it an adjustment, I suppose. It was then that he started throwing as much as possible, risking worsening the injury. Even then, he wasn't using his right as much as he normally would.

                  The next day he had surgery immediately.
                  Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-16-2021, 12:01 AM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Pago007

                    How was he fighting with a hurt shoulder but turned it on in the second half of the bout
                    That is the question that has yet to be answered. He came in the fight with a hurt shoulder, fought 18 minutes, and then fought 18 more throwing and landing more in rounds 7-11. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by billeau2
                      I think it depends. The truth is what is Lopez doing at this weight? He's a big kid and ain't gonna stay there unless he starts the funny stuff, chemical magic... What does a fight with Loma mean for his future? If he wants to stay a big 135 pounder then I guess the fight makes sense. But why not jump up where he is going? He got the scalp... Now get up see if the power carries... and start calling out the names at 140 like Regis P, and Taylor. If he wins a big name at the next weight, when Haney and Tank grow they will have to come up towards Lopez... and Lopez gets to keep the scalp (Loma) and gets some experience to see where he stands.

                      Im thinking about Broner. Broner found out too late that his power and skill sets, etc did not carry. By the time he went up he was a one shot fighter. He could drop people, but could not really hang. Lopez might discover the same, and could at least jump down and try to stay down low a few more years... Even then it hardly matters if he wins or loses to Loma. If he wins again (doubtful) he still has the same problem, if he loses? at least some of the other guys might seek him out for big fight thinking he is beatable.

                      In the long run does it matter if he fights Loma again? Now... I know it matters to Loma! lol.
                      - -What, no POLL to settle U question?

                      How dumbo is that?

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