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  • RENE JUNIOR
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    #21
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn

    I agree but that is the generation we’re in where top guys don’t fight more than 3 times a year once they make it big.

    You think that is the network and promoter decision or the young fighters?
    Very good point also.

    That's the controversial part, is it the fighters that shy away from being active or their bosses?

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      #22
      Originally posted by RENE JUNIOR

      True, quick example of that, Bud Crawford. I love him, legend, HOF etc etc etc,
      but he is really dull in his personality. I think that is one of the reasons a lot of people don't even know who the guy is.
      Yes. He’s like a modern Hearns, just without the other 3 kings to give him the big stage.

      Tommy fought a lot in Michigan coming up and drew big crowds as a hometown guy even though like Shoulder roll posted he didn’t have much personality.

      I’m surprised Bob didn’t have Bud fight in Nebraska more given how they loved him.

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        #23
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll

        I'm not a big believer in personality. It's nice if you have it but it's fine if you don't, as long as you take care of business in the ring against top notch opposition.

        Young George Foreman for example wasn't Mr. Personality. Neither was Thomas Hearns. But both became legends.

        Also young fighters should take a lesson from Rigondeaux and not stink out the joint. Even if you win the fans and the networks/streaming services won't be clamoring to see your next fight.



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        Well, I think personality to a degree is important.
        It's just that some personalities are super lame and even if they accomplish huge accolades, they aren't really getting much attention.
        Bud for example, hardly has done much interviews throughout the years and does not engage with people.
        The legends you mentioned, I am sure they engaged a lot more with the people and sparked a lot more interest. But then again, those were different times where tough competition fought tough competition more often and the world new it, so they might not have needed the personality aspect as much as it is needed today.

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          #24
          Originally posted by The Big Dunn

          Yes. He’s like a modern Hearns, just without the other 3 kings to give him the big stage.

          Tommy fought a lot in Michigan coming up and drew big crowds as a hometown guy even though like Shoulder roll posted he didn’t have much personality.

          I’m surprised Bob didn’t have Bud fight in Nebraska more given how they loved him.
          True, and back them, the best fought the best a lot more often than today.
          Which is why I think the legends of yesteryear didn't need the personality factor as much as they do today.

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            #25
            Originally posted by RENE JUNIOR

            Very good point also.

            That's the controversial part, is it the fighters that shy away from being active or their bosses?
            The networks want to protect their investment and maximize ratings over the long term.

            This can be achieved by limiting the number of fights, which in turn lessens the damage a guy takes over time.

            I think the fighters want the paydays.

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              #26
              Originally posted by RENE JUNIOR

              True, and back them, the best fought the best a lot more often than today.
              Which is why I think the legends of yesteryear didn't need the personality factor as much as they do today.
              Ok that is a good point. The sport also occupied a different echelon in America. Also society accepted violence much more than it does currently.

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                #27
                While there is money to be made they will continue these matchups. This has been done in the past in a different format and eventually people get tired of them. It does bring new fans to the sport so it's not all that bad. I am not a fan of it though.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                  The networks want to protect their investment and maximize ratings over the long term.

                  This can be achieved by limiting the number of fights, which in turn lessens the damage a guy takes over time.

                  I think the fighters want the paydays.
                  Ah ok wow.
                  I haven't thought of it much like that. Sounds quite valid man.
                  Great input

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                    Ok that is a good point. The sport also occupied a different echelon in America. Also society accepted violence much more than it does currently.
                    I mean yes and no.
                    I think it all boils down to the best fighting the best because look at MMA.
                    UFC is really, really huge and a lot of people run to those events. Even BKFC, it is such a new sport in America and it is catapulting and growing so fast.
                    I think society definitely accepts the pro violence in sports as long as it is top competition bouts and events.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by STREET CLEANER
                      While there is money to be made they will continue these matchups. This has been done in the past in a different format and eventually people get tired of them. It does bring new fans to the sport so it's not all that bad. I am not a fan of it though.
                      Ah that is super true.
                      i mean it definitely has been done way before. It may very well just be a fad that will fade away.
                      And my gosh I hope it fades away fast.

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