Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao Coach Justin Fortune Splits From Freddie Roach After Disparaging Remarks

[champion4ever]

Pacs legs weren’t were they were because of the fact that he’s in his 40s and hasn’t fought in 2 years. Make all the excuses and share the blame but pac is not what he once was and no trainer or strength and conditioning coach will defy Father Time.

Simply put; Pac is no longer the same fighter he was ten years ago. The Pac of 2008-2011 would have easily mopped the ring up with Yordenis Ugas,

[Bronx2245]

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So Roach has accused Fortune of using PEDs and we know about Ariza’s famous milk shakes plus the rumors surrounding Manny’s PED’s.
What we have here is plenty of smoke …. A pattern going on two decades now.

Yeah, this is old news, but because Manny is so beloved, people have forgotten! The question I have is, "Did Manny need to lose weight to make 147?" I've always read that he has to force himself to eat to get to 145-146!

[Oregonian]

Yeah, this is old news, but because Manny is so beloved, people have forgotten! The question I have is, "Did Manny need to lose weight to make 147?" I've always read that he has to force himself to eat to get to 145-146!

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Great question. I’ve heard that too so many times

[Oregonian]

Simply put; Pac is no longer the same fighter he was ten years ago. The Pac of 2008-2011 would have easily mopped the ring up with Yordenis Ugas,

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Lets analyze that time frame and the guys Manny fought so we can make factual and logical observations

March 2008: Marquez - Split decision win for PAC with most experts saying Marquez won.
June 2008: David Diaz - David who? Really, this guy is a measure of greatness?
Dec 2008: Oscar - weight drained at 147. A weight Oscar hadn’t fought in almost 8 years

May 2009: Hatton - Floyd had beaten him and Hatton was never great anyway.
Nov 2009: Cotto - weight drained to 145 to weaken him and not forgetting Margarito’s plastered hands.

Mar 2010: Clottey - Had lost to Cotto in his last fight.
Nov 2010: Margarito - Weight drained to 150 and had literally been destroyed by Mosley earlier.

May 2011: Mosley: Had just lost to Floyd
Nov 2011: Marquez - Majority Decision win and many people thought Marquez won.

These are truly the fights that you guys use to define PAC’s greatness?? Dubious catchweights, controversial decision wins and fighting guys who were literally coming off spectacular losses?

Wow!! Ignoring facts and logic for blind idolation is pure heretics and laughable

[Dobyzhee]

How does one get cramps in the 2nd round of a major fight.

I really hope the rumors that his team using a massage gun on him before the fight isn’t true.

[ruedboy]

"Victory has a hundred fathers but defeat is an orphan".

[clmags12]

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Lets analyze that time frame and the guys Manny fought so we can make factual and logical observations

March 2008: Marquez - Split decision win for PAC with most experts saying Marquez won.
June 2008: David Diaz - David who? Really, this guy is a measure of greatness?
Dec 2008: Oscar - weight drained at 147. A weight Oscar hadn’t fought in almost 8 years

May 2009: Hatton - Floyd had beaten him and Hatton was never great anyway.
Nov 2009: Cotto - weight drained to 145 to weaken him and not forgetting Margarito’s plastered hands.

Mar 2010: Clottey - Had lost to Cotto in his last fight.
Nov 2010: Margarito - Weight drained to 150 and had literally been destroyed by Mosley earlier.

May 2011: Mosley: Had just lost to Floyd
Nov 2011: Marquez - Majority Decision win and many people thought Marquez won.

These are truly the fights that you guys use to define PAC’s greatness?? Dubious catchweights, controversial decision wins and fighting guys who were literally coming off spectacular losses?

Wow!! Ignoring facts and logic for blind idolation is pure heretics and laughable

All I see is nitpicking here.

The main fact of what made Manny great during this time is his punch output. And its funny you listed Mosely bc after his fight with Manny is when Mannys output dropped.

That was his main weapon against Floyd but it was gone years before.

[Hands of Stone]

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Lets analyze that time frame and the guys Manny fought so we can make factual and logical observations

March 2008: Marquez - Split decision win for PAC with most experts saying Marquez won.
June 2008: David Diaz - David who? Really, this guy is a measure of greatness?
Dec 2008: Oscar - weight drained at 147. A weight Oscar hadn’t fought in almost 8 years

May 2009: Hatton - Floyd had beaten him and Hatton was never great anyway.
Nov 2009: Cotto - weight drained to 145 to weaken him and not forgetting Margarito’s plastered hands.

Mar 2010: Clottey - Had lost to Cotto in his last fight.
Nov 2010: Margarito - Weight drained to 150 and had literally been destroyed by Mosley earlier.

May 2011: Mosley: Had just lost to Floyd
Nov 2011: Marquez - Majority Decision win and many people thought Marquez won.

These are truly the fights that you guys use to define PAC’s greatness?? Dubious catchweights, controversial decision wins and fighting guys who were literally coming off spectacular losses?

Wow!! Ignoring facts and logic for blind idolation is pure heretics and laughable

You are obviously a boxing newbie. Every boxers record can be nitpicked. I can do the same exact thing you just did here for the resume of Floyd, Ali, Canelo, Sugar Ray etc..pretty much every boxer. Catchweight is nothing new in boxing but you newbies always act like it starts with Pacquaio, a guy who came all the way up from flyweight by the way. A fighter losing to one and fighting another guy fighter and getting beat signifies absolutely nothing. After a loss, a great fighter will often rededicate himself and come back sharper. This right here sounds like hate rather than objectivity. Tell us who your beloved fighter and I 'll do the exact same nitpicking

[rckdees]

I’ll say it again roach is a glorified yes man

[aboutfkntime]

All I see is nitpicking here.

The main fact of what made Manny great during this time is his punch output. And its funny you listed Mosely bc after his fight with Manny is when Mannys output dropped.

That was his main weapon against Floyd but it was gone years before.

more that DOUBLING his punch output - immediately after leaping through 3 divisions in 9 months - at 32yo... is why many insiders suspect Pac of steroid abuse

normally... punch output would decrease after a fighter gained so much weight in such a short period of time... not, more than DOUBLE

wait, let me guess... " nitpicking ", right ?






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