Ring Magazine top-10 heavyweights in 1996

[The plunger man]

AJ should never lose to a guy like that at that point in his career. No excuse is good enough.

Yes, it is different for him. When you’re talked about as the next great hwt and a potential cash cow, the standard you have to meet is high.

Like Lennox and wlad, full respect will come when he wins the big fights. As for now the AJ ko loss is a huge stain on him.

I don’t think that is unfair, biased or Unreasonable.

loads of fighters lose to fighters they shouldn’t , Louis with scmelling , Tyson with Douglas , Duran with Laing , Robinson with Turpin , Morrison with bendt ..it happens you get caught , your unwell , not trained properly etc...it’s how you come back that matters but your right if Joshua wins his big fights then it’s judged on that but one thing is for Joshua is taking the risky fights unlike fury who seems to not want to fight the best and try avoid danger.

[The Big Dunn]

You must have been like two years old during the time period. Frank Bruno won the title from Oliver McCall. Duhhh...nice work with boxing history.

https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-...title-in-1995/

No I wasn’t.

Bruno got ktfo by Bonecrusher Smith and Tim Witherspoon, who are also a mid tier Americans, like 7-8 years before he fought McCall fight right?

Which is the theme of my posts in this thread- almost every top British hwt gets slapped around by a mid tier American.

Or is that not displaying enough knowledge of boxing history?

[The Big Dunn]

Reading comprehension? You missed an entire title fight that happened in real life!

Another one that can’t read. Where did I say no Brit had ever beaten an American?

Bruno beating McCall is understandable. No one expected McCall to ko lennox because lennox is much better.

Now go learn to read before quoting me again.

[The Big Dunn]

loads of fighters lose to fighters they shouldn’t , Louis with scmelling , Tyson with Douglas , Duran with Laing , Robinson with Turpin , Morrison with bendt ..it happens you get caught , your unwell , not trained properly etc...it’s how you come back that matters but your right if Joshua wins his big fights then it’s judged on that but one thing is for Joshua is taking the risky fights unlike fury who seems to not want to fight the best and try avoid danger.

Which is what I literally posted to **** em about AJ, stating he would get his respect like wlad and Lennox for beating top guys the rest of their careers.

Not disagreeing with you that loads of fighters lose to people they shouldn’t. When they do, what is wrong with holding that loss against them in real time?

Ruiz wasn’t a risky fight. AJ just got beat. If he loses again in a fight he’s a heavy favorite, I’m not pretending that fight was risky.

Losing doesn’t always mean a fight was risky.

[QueensburyRules]

tell me one good southpaw that Lewis avoided in his career...Lewis resume has everybody that was relevant and dangerous at that time except bowe but it was bowe who refused to fight him so that’s not a knock.
secondly I did say that could change if Joshua deals with usyk and fury but he hasn’t yet so Joshua cannot be classed as better and that’s just common sense.
You know I hold Joshua in high regard but he simply has not beaten a Lennox Lewis standing as of yet.
yes Joshua did do it a lot quicker and was still learning on the job even when he beat klitchko so that’s shows his potential.
if Lewis lands the kind of right hand as he did with ruddock or the combination as he did with golota then it’s curtains for AJ or anybody else..,Lewis was 240-245. 83 inch reach and could box or punch and had stamina
the usyk fight will be the acid test for Joshua because usyk skill level and if he powers past him then he really is the real deal but if he don’t then we have our answer.
as we stand Joshua is not on the level Lewis was

- -Chris Byrd his mandatory, so he sold off that IBF for a couple of mil for not having to fight a southpaw. What grade U in?

Corrie Sanders. The Ks and Rahman fought him for starters, not Lewie.

[QueensburyRules]

Which is what I literally posted to **** em about AJ, stating he would get his respect like wlad and Lennox for beating top guys the rest of their careers.

Not disagreeing with you that loads of fighters lose to people they shouldn’t. When they do, what is wrong with holding that loss against them in real time?

Ruiz wasn’t a risky fight. AJ just got beat. If he loses again in a fight he’s a heavy favorite. Let’s not pretend that fight was risky.

- -We don't have to pretend U da Big Dummy.

Andy the only top fighter willing to fight AJ at that moment. Fury/Deyonce/White/Kownacki/Ortiz turned down career purses to go after the low hanging fruit of Deyonce.

[Earl-Hickey]

1. Holyfield
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Mike Tyson
4. Moorer
5. Golota
6. Akinwande
7. Mercer
8. Tua
9. Bowe
10. Witherspoon

And people still think this is a weak era.

That list is very misleading because you want us to belive every name on there was in their absoloute prime, which is FAR from the truth, let me give some context.


1. Holyfield, yup fair, he was a past prime blown up cruiser with a heart condition but he could still go.

2. Tyson, was FINISHED at this stage and never won a meaningful fight again in his career

3. Lennox, great fighter, 3 fights previously had been brutally ktfo by Journeyman Mccall

4. Moorer, 1 year previously had been brutally ktfo by a 45 year old Foreman

5. Golota, I mean... He was OK, sometimes

6. Akinwande. Lol

7. Mercer, decent heavyweight, also a ******* addict and alcohol abuse issues

8. Tua, one of the best on this list but couldn't handle anyone who had a back foot game

9. Bowe, FINISHED at this stage in his career.

10. Witherspoon. Who cares.



OK let's compare to today's top 10.

1. Fury, beats anyone on that list.

2. Joshua, beats anyone on that list other than Holyfield or Lewis.

3. Wilder, beats anyone except Lewis, Holyfield, maybe Tyson could still take him at that stage, I'm not sure.

4. Whyte, beats anyone except Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson or Tua

5. Parker, beats anyone except Lewis, Holyfield and maybe tyson

6. Andy Ruiz, beats about half that list

7. Ortiz, Er maybe he beats witherspoon, Mercer and Golota

8. Mike Hunter, beats a couple of them

9. Joyce, too early to tell, probably beats half of them.

10. Usyk, beats all of them except Lewis.

[The Big Dunn]

- -We don't have to pretend U da Big Dummy.

Andy the only top fighter willing to fight AJ at that moment. Fury/Deyonce/White/Kownacki/Ortiz turned down career purses to go after the low hanging fruit of Deyonce.

AJ got ktfo by a mid tier American.

[The plunger man]

AJ got ktfo by a mid tier American.

1st of all it was a stoppage with Joshua on his feet...ktfo is not what that is and you know that your just letting emotion get the best of you...he was not flat on his back being counted out ...he was hurt and the red waived it off....Whyte , Tyson , etc were KTFO big difference

[The Big Dunn]

1st of all it was a stoppage with Joshua on his feet...ktfo is not what that is and you know that your just letting emotion get the best of you...he was not flat on his back being counted out ...he was hurt and the red waived it off....Whyte , Tyson , etc were KTFO big difference

Seriously?!?!?