Comments Thread For: Oscar Valdez Cleared By Presiding Commission to Move Forward With Conceicao

[786]

This is disappointing. Like Povektin and Whyte (after the RIvas fight) they're just clearing him like that? Why have tests in boxing then? Why are some fighters punished and others allowed to carry on?

Boxing is such a joke nowadays.

[PETUFF]

This is shame for boxing !
How dirty and disgusting they all are, They all corrupted very disappointed we need clean fights in the sport men to men!

[tokon]

" . . the WBC’s Clean Boxing Program adheres to VADA rules . . "

Therefore Valdez should be stripped of WBC title.

Also, as noted in the article, wasnt "in competition" contractual VADA testing effective from 21st july?

So where does this "out of competition" BS come into it?

Anything less than stripped of title and a ban is unacceptable.

[tokon]

So much bad all around. Valdez the cheater. Arum is Lucifer. Top Rank is pathetic. Our sport is corrupt.

The saddest part? Conceicao will go through with the fight because he needs the money.

Funny how baseball bans guys 100 games for taking PEDs. A sport where you swing a bat at a ball. In boxing? Where you swing your fists at your opponent's head? Just a slap on the wrist. At worst, a hit to your reputation. You still make money. You still endanger your opponent's life even more so than usual.

Fighters should start making complaints on criminal assault and conspiracy to assault charges when opponent's cheat.

Boxing is a "sport" based upon what amounts to mutual consent to legalised assault. But it's only legal when conducted within the rules of the sport.

[Jab jab boom]

It was a diuretic, no biggy. That being said, Blacks cheat all the time not only by using substances but inside the ring by hugging, pushing, and receiving gift decisions based on race. Not even a point deduction for excessive hugging. Floyd Mayweather would heve been disqualified for hugging and would have lost by points in any other country but always fought in the US.

if you don’t understand why a boxer would use a diuretic and how it’s beneficial, then you clearly don’t understand anything about boxing nor do you understand that making weight is the most challenging thing in training camp for most boxers. Your other example isn’t even an accurate comparison and is ridiculous. As far as gift decisions being based on race and nationality, yeah it happens but you obviously haven’t followed the careers of canelo and Chavez and countless other Mexican boxers who get help from judges because they’re Mexican.

[Jmvfeo]

Why is everyone crying and saying he's that **** he tested positive for is not a performance enhancing drug, he is not on steroids, the **** doesn't make him faster or stronger so get over it.

[Monty Fisto]

So much bad all around. Valdez the cheater. Arum is Lucifer. Top Rank is pathetic. Our sport is corrupt.

The saddest part? Conceicao will go through with the fight because he needs the money.

Funny how baseball bans guys 100 games for taking PEDs. A sport where you swing a bat at a ball. In boxing? Where you swing your fists at your opponent's head? Just a slap on the wrist. At worst, a hit to your reputation. You still make money. You still endanger your opponent's life even more so than usual.

Which is why Barry Bonds got all those lengthy bans...


Baseball tests players twice a year and even if they tested every day, no baseball player would get even so much as a finger wagged at them for a drug like phentermine.

As far as my understanding goes, phentermine is not a diuretic. It is an amphetamine-like drug that stimulates the nervous system and the 'benefit' of this (I use inverted commas as it depends on who you are as to whether this is a benefit) is that it makes you feel less hungry. It is used as a weight loss drug. The fight-or-flight response of the drug on your nervous system might give you an edge in compeition (i.e. during a fight), but in training WADA does not consider it a banned substance. VADA, who implemented the testing, does have it on their list.

As much as so many here seem to want to make it a simple black and white issue, the decision makers involved have instead looked at the entirety of the information available. We have a positive test for a trace amount of a drug that stymies your appetite on a single day out of competition, which the WADA rules says is OK. No other positive tests for it on any other day that VADA conducted their tests. We do not have available all the dates for which he was tested, but the decision makers do. And they have made their decision.

[Cecin]

if you don’t understand why a boxer would use a diuretic and how it’s beneficial, then you clearly don’t understand anything about boxing nor do you understand that making weight is the most challenging thing in training camp for most boxers. Your other example isn’t even an accurate comparison and is ridiculous. As far as gift decisions being based on race and nationality, yeah it happens but you obviously haven’t followed the careers of canelo and Chavez and countless other Mexican boxers who get help from judges because they’re Mexican.

Dude, it's clear you hate mexicans, in all your posts you always attack them. To say mexicans are always helped by referees, after looking Mayweather in tenths of fights, for example, Pacquiao vs Marquez, Jermell Charlo recently, just exposes you as a racist and a hater. The A side is always 'helped' in boxing, its not only mexicans....

[tokon]

Why is everyone crying and saying he's that **** he tested positive for is not a performance enhancing drug, he is not on steroids, the **** doesn't make him faster or stronger so get over it.

Really?!

May read up a little on "performance enhancing" with regards to a weight category combat sport eg boxing.
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[tokon]

We have a positive test for a trace amount of a drug that stymies your appetite on a single day out of competition, which the WADA rules says is OK. No other positive tests for it on any other day that VADA conducted their tests. We do not have available all the dates for which he was tested, but the decision makers do. And they have made their decision.

This "out of competition" and WADA is a red herring here.

The rest was by vada and part of WBC Clean boxing program.

From what has been published, it also appears that the drug was detected after contracts for random testing Hy vada had been exchanged for the fight.

Incidentally, the analogy with baseball and Peds is also not relevant as baseball is not a weight category combat sport.