Comments Thread For: Ugas On Pacquiao Post-Fight Excuses: I Admire Him And Respect His Opinion

[Biolink]

Class.

It's one of the most annoying things how there's literally an excuse behind every one of Pac's losses (with the exception of maybe the Bradley & Horn fights), and its not just the fans. Pac is the one pushing it a lot of times.

First 3 losses - he was starving
Morales - Itchy socks, shoes gave him a blister in his foot or some ish, blood drained, cramps(Honestly there was a lot for this one)
Marquez - Peds
Bradley - Legit robbery
Floyd - Cheated, Bad shoulder
Horn - Arguments can be made that Horn did pretty good, although most agree it was a robbery
Ugas - Cramps, Part time boxer who took a long vacation, late replacement fight/Al Haymon conspiracy

He's basically undefeated according to a small, but vocal group. It's absolutely shameful and I'm disappointed.

[Biolink]

Late notice yet had southpaws in training camp?

It's nothing uncommon to spar fighters that are opposite handed from your opponent. Sometimes you want to replicate other attributes. Footwork, upperbody movement, hand speed, physical body type and strength, style, etc. Sometimes the opposite handed fighter is just a badass and will keep your game sharp for the fight. Stop with the conspiracy suggestions. Go into a gym and actually talk to some fighters and trainers. I promise no one actually thinks like that "Well he fights in another stance so there's nothing I can gain from sparring this dude" , and if they do, you're in the wrong spot.

[champion4ever]

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“You thought I had a right to know”? I’m not sure if your next line after was supposed to be a rebuttal to your own theory.

Perhaps it’s a language barrier. You can type in Tagalog if you want, or try Google translate. It’s really good.

Look, I love and am a huge fan of Pac as much as anybody but I'm not an irrational fanboy either. Manny was not only beaten by Ugas but he was also beaten up. Neither one of us wants to see him hurt in the ring now do we? So just admit that Manny got his ass whooped and should retire.Then the two of us will be even. So what say you about this proposition?

[Oregonian]

Look, I love and am a huge fan of Pac as much as anybody but I'm not an irrational fanboy either. Manny was not only beaten by Ugas but he was also beaten up. Neither one of us wants to see him hurt in the ring now do we? So just admit that Manny got his ass whooped and should retire.Then the two of us will be even. So what say you about this proposition?

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Not once did I say Manny won. I know he was beaten.
By Ugas, by Floyd, by Marquez, By Morales etc. Up until Manny fought Thurman I wasn’t a fan of his.
As for being even, your last response to me, you cursed me out. For what? I challenge your opinions and you insult me.

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How many rematches is Manny going to have? A loss is a loss. Accept it and move on.
Floyd beat Manny, period. No rematch was warranted. On the other hand, Maidana and Castillo fights were close hence the rematches. There were no excuses from Floyd for his performance, he rematches them and beat them. Period.

Pacquiao is competitive in every fight that he's in. Even in the fight vs Marquez when he got KO'd, he had knocked Juan down three times. I can see your argument for no need for a rematch in an obvious blowout, but I disagree in the case where a fight was competitive. Not only does it give the loser a chance to avenge the loss, fight fans also get the benefit of seeing another potentially exciting fight.

[Oregonian]

Pacquiao is competitive in every fight that he's in. Even in the fight vs Marquez when he got KO'd, he had knocked Juan down three times. I can see your argument for no need for a rematch in an obvious blowout, but I disagree in the case where a fight was competitive. Not only does it give the loser a chance to avenge the loss, fight fans also get the benefit of seeing another potentially exciting fight.

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first I’m going to correct you on the PAC-Marquez fight. Manny did not knock Marquez down three times. It was once. If anything, Manny was dropped in the 3rd round and then KO’d in the 7th.

As for competitive and/or fights, if there was a clear winner are bigger fights to make, a rematch is not necessary.
I liked the Cotto-Floyd fight but the better guy won and I had no interest in the rematch.
I liked the Manny-Bradley fight. Manny got robbed, there was no need for two more fights.
I liked the Teo-Loma fight, the better guy won, I don’t care for a rematch and I’m a fan of Loma.

Manny was chasing history … he let it slip from his hands by fighting way too many unnecessary fights. He’s still an ATG but he could have been on a level where Floyd fans such as myself would have no reasons to nitpick his resume.

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first I’m going to correct you on the PAC-Marquez fight. Manny did not knock Marquez down three times. It was once. If anything, Manny was dropped in the 3rd round and then KO’d in the 7th.

As for competitive and/or fights, if there was a clear winner are bigger fights to make, a rematch is not necessary.
I liked the Cotto-Floyd fight but the better guy won and I had no interest in the rematch.
I liked the Manny-Bradley fight. Manny got robbed, there was no need for two more fights.
I liked the Teo-Loma fight, the better guy won, I don’t care for a rematch and I’m a fan of Loma.

Manny was chasing history … he let it slip from his hands by fighting way too many unnecessary fights. He’s still an ATG but he could have been on a level where Floyd fans such as myself would have no reasons to nitpick his resume.

Ok, time for me to both acknowledge and correct you, sir. You're correct that Manny only dropped Juan once, in round 5. While it's true that Juan dropped Manny in the 3rd, he did not KO him in the 7th, it was the 6th round.

I agree with you on Floyd vs Cotto and I don't remember Miguel pining for a rematch. As for the Bradley fights, Timothy was controversially awarded the win in the first one. Manny wanted and got revenge in the second. The third was a rubber match to give Bradley an opportunity to even the score. Nothing wrong with that. I disagree with you on the Lopez vs Lomachenko fight. Vasyl said he had an injured shoulder. The way he took nearly the entire first half of the fight off leads me to believe something was going on. It was sheer cowardice for Teofimo to refuse a rematch because Lomachenko was "disrepectful" to Lopez and his father. If anything, he'd want to beat his ass for it while making even more millions in a huge fight. The way Lomachenko began to score in the latter stages of the fight showed promise, though it was too little, too late. I think a rematch would be highly competitive and exciting to watch.

[Oregonian]

Ok, time for me to both acknowledge and correct you, sir. You're correct that Manny only dropped Juan once, in round 5. While it's true that Juan dropped Manny in the 3rd, he did not KO him in the 7th, it was the 6th round.

I agree with you on Floyd vs Cotto and I don't remember Miguel pining for a rematch. As for the Bradley fights, Timothy was controversially awarded the win in the first one. Manny wanted and got revenge in the second. The third was a rubber match to give Bradley an opportunity to even the score. Nothing wrong with that. I disagree with you on the Lopez vs Lomachenko fight. Vasyl said he had an injured shoulder. The way he took nearly the entire first half of the fight off leads me to believe something was going on. It was sheer cowardice for Teofimo to refuse a rematch because Lomachenko was "disrepectful" to Lopez and his father. If anything, he'd want to beat his ass for it while making even more millions in a huge fight. The way Lomachenko began to score in the latter stages of the fight showed promise, though it was too little, too late. I think a rematch would be highly competitive and exciting to watch.

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My mistake on saying it was the 7th rd.

Freddy Roached is the one who kept calling for the rematch after he started training Cotto. Cotto is a classy guy, he’s never disrespected anyone nor make excuses for his loss even the Margarito loaded gloves.

As for Loma, I say the same thing I say about Manny, why accept a fight if you are injured? Why wait until after you get to beat to say you had an existing injury?
Why not just say it outright before the fight that you are going to fight on but you have an injury?

It is absurd to hear that. Can you imagine Hatton saying he wanted a rematch with Manny because the ref didn’t count him out? Or Broner saying he had cramps otherwise he would have beaten Manny and wants a rematch or Mathysse saying something was in his eyes before Manny KO’d him or Thurman saying he had a muscle injury Ingrid loss to Manny so he wants a rematch?

You guys are ok believing and propagating Manny’s excuses but any other boxer making excuses is not ok.

[TJ highway]

I'll say it Spence vs Pacquiao was never gonna happen? Ugas trained for a south paw from day one. It's all Uncle All's shenanigans!

Ugas did beat Pac's, I'll admit but is he the second coming?.......................................Not only No but f^u^c^k no!

Jeff Horn beat to Pac's were is he now?

Floyd Mayweather Jr (Froid) beat Pac's but we know all the controversy.

Juan Manuel Márquez got a TKO of Pac's one second before the round ended in the 6th round. Truth be told Juan Man was warned by his trainer "Nacho Beristain Do something significant this round or I'm trowing in the towel". JMM ended up getting the TKO. According to the score cards JMM was losing when he got the TKO! He never wanted to fight Pac's again................................Do you blame him.


Timothy Bradley split decision Bradley won a controversial victory over Pacquiao by way of split decision, with two of the judges scoring it 115–113 to Bradley and the other 115–113 to Pacquiao. The decision ended Pacquiao's 7-year undefeated streak and gave Bradley the title. According to Compu box, Pacquiao was ahead in punches landed, power punches landed, percentage of punches landed, and percentage of power punches landed. As a result of the controversial scoring, a special five-judge panel was created by World Boxing WBO President Francisco "Paco" Valcarcel to review the fight. All five judges of the panel reviewed a video of the bout and all 5 judges scored it in favor of Pac's. Despite the panel's findings, WBO rules do not allow the decision to be overturned. The most the boxing body can do, according to Valcarcel, is to order a rematch.

In 2005 Erick Morales beat Pac's UD in 12 rounds.
January 22, 2006, Morales fought Pacquiao in a rematch from their bout ten months before and was defeated in ten rounds. Pacquiao knocked down Morales twice in the final seconds of round ten and the fight was stopped.

He fought Pacquiao for the third time in a non-championship title bout, on November 18, 2006. Morales was defeated by a knockout in three rounds. After the fight, Morales said "Maybe it's time I should no longer be doing this." He sat speechless in his corner for five minutes afterward. "I did everything in camp necessary to win this fight. I didn't win it. It wasn't my night...it just wasn't meant to be. Asked by Larry Merchant whether he would retire from boxing, Morales offered, "Maybe this is the way to end it. It's a beautiful night, and there's a lot of good people (here in the audience)...it was always a pleasure to give the public great fights."

[SUBZER0ED]

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My mistake on saying it was the 7th rd.

Freddy Roached is the one who kept calling for the rematch after he started training Cotto. Cotto is a classy guy, he’s never disrespected anyone nor make excuses for his loss even the Margarito loaded gloves.

As for Loma, I say the same thing I say about Manny, why accept a fight if you are injured? Why wait until after you get to beat to say you had an existing injury?
Why not just say it outright before the fight that you are going to fight on but you have an injury?

It is absurd to hear that. Can you imagine Hatton saying he wanted a rematch with Manny because the ref didn’t count him out? Or Broner saying he had cramps otherwise he would have beaten Manny and wants a rematch or Mathysse saying something was in his eyes before Manny KO’d him or Thurman saying he had a muscle injury Ingrid loss to Manny so he wants a rematch?

You guys are ok believing and propagating Manny’s excuses but any other boxer making excuses is not ok.

I agree that fighters with significant injuries shouldn't go on and fight anyway. Maybe it's the money and ego, where they feel they can win anyway. Pac did ask for an exception so that he could get a cortisone shot for his shoulder, but was denied. For a fighter to announce he has an injury but fight anyway is ludicrous. Why announce your weakness to your opponent before the fight?