Comments Thread For: Roach on Mayweather's 50-0 Run: Pacquiao Had Better Quality of Wins

[Roadblock]

Hahaha can’t even face the reality that Floyd got spooked by a naturally smaller man. Fought him scared like his own father said. Run and hug - that’s signature Floyd Mayweather, Jr for you. Lucky he has Nevada always on his side. Didn’t even try to fight elsewhere where he won’t have all the advantages.

You have to accuse Manny of being a hugger himself. Then instead of just staying on topic like a child attack the person you’re debating with. Tells you right away you have nothing. Just like that 59 yo from the hood said you Floyd nuthuggers are.

Easy beats have never spooked winners, you need to live a little more to understand that.

Accuse Manny, why dont you go and watch round 4 Hussein vs Manny and come back and tell me if is guilty or not. accuse lol is an understatement if Manny held on any harder they would need to break his arm to release, accuse lol that's funny.

[JulVal]

Yeah, that's a fact they gave it to Floyd.. but does the audit show he deserved it. Not a chance buddy. Receipts don't add up. It only shows how corrupt Vegas Judges, compubox, referee was for Floyd.


Boxing is about connecting bud. Pro boxing is about the Hurt Business. Always is always was..

Shoe shine punches are for amateur's. Gravity of punches are scored higher than shoe shine punches or what you call pitter patter shots.

And if you've scene the detailed video per round punch connects in my thread. Those vid clips of each round assessed not this one I'm showing here. Those are Clearer and more precise.

Pac not only has the clean effective punches he had the more number of punches even if you count Floyd shoe shine punches Pac still got more punch connects per round that was disputed.

Those criterias you mention will only work if the fighter connected more on his opponent.

I've already explained it to you.I don't make the rules. It's how boxing works.

Everything correlates to who connected more per round is how the round is scored.

Now, going back.

A fighter can't have the win in the round if these aren't met.

yes, but like I said you can't have these 4 criterias if your opponent did more.. Why?

I explained why..

There's a reason why Floyd had the lowest punchout of his career in that fight. And to add insult to injury.. Compubox even padded that punch connects even though it was already dismal as proven by those videos in my thread.That should show you how scared he fought as Floyd Sr was even telling his son.

Go to my thread and see the light.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...s-blow-by-blow

Effective Aggression - You can't have effective aggression if you can't connect more than your opponent. Pac landed more so he has that

Defense - you can't have effective defense if your defense has holes and the one landing more is your opponent. That's Pac again landing more than Floyd. Meaning he has better defense since he got hit less.

Clean and effective Punches. Pac landed the cleaner more effective punches throughout the night as I've shown to you. And I even have gifs to show the strength of the punches which is a factor in scoring.


Ring Generalship - Who was chasing who? Who was the majority of the time in the center of the ring. That again is Pac chasing Floyd from Pillar to post.

You do know what Ring Generalship means right? It's he who commands the center of the ring throughout the fight. That was Pacquiao. Facts.

People believe what they choose to believe and will nitpick details to fit their agenda. I can do the same if I'm as in love with Floyd the way you guys are so in love with Pacquiao but I am not. I wont waste my time doing a slow-mo video highlighting effective defense and counters which essentially neutralized the other fighter's offense.

I respect your opinions and beliefs, it is your own anyway and I will not be taking that away from you. I respect your love for Pacquiao too. I'm a Pac fan and a Filo so saludo ako sa pagmamahal mo kay Pacquiao. Boboto mo ba as president? I sure as hell won't.

Going back to the original topic, do I agree with Roach's statement that Pac's resume and quality opponents are better than Floyds? Yes I do. But he did not officially win that night and no youtuber or boxingscene poster can change that irrefutable fact.

[sargo]

Are you serious Roadblock? You want to refer to one fight many years ago where Manny hugged to survive after getting hurt? Are you comparing that to the hugging that Floyd does as part of his game even when he is not hurt? Are you serious?

Clinching when hurt you should know if you are truly a boxing fan is acceptable just like when Floyd himself clinched Mosley after getting hurt with an overhand right. That is clearly acceptable and even encouraged. Fans and corners would shout to the hurt fighter to hold.

Running after getting hurt such as what Thurman did against Pacquiao after the body shot is acceptable. No one accused Thurman of excessive running.

You deny that Floyd clinches even when not hurt as part of his game? You deny that Floyd runs even when not hurt ala Rigo as part of his game? If you do, like probably some posters here, then there’s nothing that anyone can say here for you and your buddies to see the truth.

Bias is bias. Blind is blind.

[Zaroku]

Floyd played his role and made money for everyone.

Pac fights to win or lose.

I love both guys..

get that money!

[hugh grant]

Are you serious Roadblock? You want to refer to one fight many years ago where Manny hugged to survive after getting hurt? Are you comparing that to the hugging that Floyd does as part of his game even when he is not hurt? Are you serious?

Clinching when hurt you should know if you are truly a boxing fan is acceptable just like when Floyd himself clinched Mosley after getting hurt with an overhand right. That is clearly acceptable and even encouraged. Fans and corners would shout to the hurt fighter to hold.

Running after getting hurt such as what Thurman did against Pacquiao after the body shot is acceptable. No one accused Thurman of excessive running.

You deny that Floyd clinches even when not hurt as part of his game? You deny that Floyd runs even when not hurt ala Rigo as part of his game? If you do, like probably some posters here, then there’s nothing that anyone can say here for you and your buddies to see the truth.

Bias is bias. Blind is blind.

Yes Floyd fights like a person who has been hurt every fight and every round. Floyd should be losing rounds. You can be defensive and try survive when hurt. But if your not hurt you shouldn't be overly defense minded, you need to score to get man out of there with accumulation of punches.
Floyd did that against gatti and when he fought not that good people.When he stepped up class he wasn't convincing left it open to interpretation

[Roadblock]

Are you serious Roadblock? You want to refer to one fight many years ago where Manny hugged to survive after getting hurt? Are you comparing that to the hugging that Floyd does as part of his game even when he is not hurt? Are you serious?

Clinching when hurt you should know if you are truly a boxing fan is acceptable just like when Floyd himself clinched Mosley after getting hurt with an overhand right. That is clearly acceptable and even encouraged. Fans and corners would shout to the hurt fighter to hold.

Running after getting hurt such as what Thurman did against Pacquiao after the body shot is acceptable. No one accused Thurman of excessive running.

You deny that Floyd clinches even when not hurt as part of his game? You deny that Floyd runs even when not hurt ala Rigo as part of his game? If you do, like probably some posters here, then there’s nothing that anyone can say here for you and your buddies to see the truth.

Bias is bias. Blind is blind.

Yep your bias is blind.

Floyd beat your hero easy, it was in cruise control, Floyd wasn't expected to fight any other way, in the cold light off day Manny was a failure who could not do anything against the skills he faced, Floyd also schooled like an amateur the guy that put Manny in a coma, Floyd also schooled the number fighter on the planet today in Canelo.

3 ATGs toyed with by Floyd Mayweather, Manny will never be as good a fighter as Mayweather was and would always lose to Floyd.

[Spoon23]

People believe what they choose to believe and will nitpick details to fit their agenda. I can do the same if I'm as in love with Floyd the way you guys are so in love with Pacquiao but I am not. I wont waste my time doing a slow-mo video highlighting effective defense and counters which essentially neutralized the other fighter's offense.

I respect your opinions and beliefs, it is your own anyway and I will not be taking that away from you. I respect your love for Pacquiao too. I'm a Pac fan and a Filo so saludo ako sa pagmamahal mo kay Pacquiao. Boboto mo ba as president? I sure as hell won't.

Going back to the original topic, do I agree with Roach's statement that Pac's resume and quality opponents are better than Floyds? Yes I do. But he did not officially win that night and no youtuber or boxingscene poster can change that irrefutable fact.

Actually there are rules to follow in scoring. You outlined it. And I explained it for you. Boxing is about punching and those criteria is met when a boxer gets to connect. I don't make the rules.

Like Ring Generalship. What is it? It's who dominates the center of the ring per rounds, and for the majority of the rounds.. That's not open for discussion. That's a fact. That's the rules. It cannot be subjective.

Manny was chasing Floyd from pillar to post and had the center of the ring for majority of the time. That is not an opinion that can be said it's open for interpretation or can be subjective. Seeing who took the center of the ring per round is black and white. That is a fact.

Plus, audit result of punch connects doesn't support Floyd fake compubox stats. Punch connects per round mostly belongs to Pacquiao. You can say that can be open for argument, but still it is conclusive to know who had the more telling punches and more heavier punches to count. And Like I said, even if you add the shoe shine punches of Floyd. Pac still connected more in those disputed rounds.. But off course you didn't really see the detailed videos in my thread.. Anyway.. Not here to convince you.. If you really are a Pacfan, those video is clear as day who had the more punch connects, and it's not Floyd.

Don't get that part you're talking jibberish? Is that spanish?

Carry on.


Ring General. Heat Map showing who owns the center of the ring.

[hugh grant]

Floyd also schooled the number fighter on the planet today in Canelo.

3 ATGs toyed with by Floyd Mayweather, Manny will never be as good a fighter as Mayweather was and would always lose to Floyd.

PAC beating cotto is greater than any Floyd win. Floyd or nelo couldn't stop cotto.
Floyd couldn't even prove he'd beat PAC in a rematch, wasn't willing to so stop with the boasts please

[sargo]

Yep your bias is blind.

Floyd beat your hero easy, it was in cruise control, Floyd wasn't expected to fight any other way, in the cold light off day Manny was a failure who could not do anything against the skills he faced, Floyd also schooled like an amateur the guy that put Manny in a coma, Floyd also schooled the number fighter on the planet today in Canelo.

3 ATGs toyed with by Floyd Mayweather, Manny will never be as good a fighter as Mayweather was and would always lose to Floyd.

There it is. Not addressing the issue. Floyd the excessive clincher and runner. A cheat. Just keep repeating what you believe in. Cannot engage in a mature debate.

[djtmal]

Yep your bias is blind.

Floyd beat your hero easy, it was in cruise control, Floyd wasn't expected to fight any other way, in the cold light off day Manny was a failure who could not do anything against the skills he faced, Floyd also schooled like an amateur the guy that put Manny in a coma, Floyd also schooled the number fighter on the planet today in Canelo.

3 ATGs toyed with by Floyd Mayweather, Manny will never be as good a fighter as Mayweather was and would always lose to Floyd.

The guys Floyd beat weren't all time greats in their prime though. Ricky Hatton and Corrales (rip) definitely not. Shane, Cotto and Manny absolutely not. Canelo was cool if he kept the quality of opposition on that level your overexagerration would have some legs to stand on.